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| Forums > Rock & Prog > Van Der Graaf Generator - 1971 Pawn Hearts, 2005 Remastered |
| Posted by: OlCh on 12-11-2006, 22:55 | ||||||||||||||||
cue & log tagged within, scans are inside спасибо runo и всем другим друзьям-приятелям Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts 2005 Remastered ![]() Review by Bruce Eder Van Der Graaf Generator's third album, Pawn Hearts was also its second most popular; at one time this record was a major King Crimson cult item due to the presence of Robert Fripp on guitar, but Pawn Hearts has more to offer than that. The opening track, "Lemmings," calls to mind early Gentle Giant, with its eerie vocal passages (including harmonies) set up against extended sax, keyboard, and guitar-driven instrumental passages, and also with its weird keyboard and percussion interlude, though this band is also much more contemporary in its focus than Gentle Giant. Peter Hammill vocalizes in a more traditional way on "Man-Erg," against shimmering organ swells and Guy Evans' very expressive drumming, before the song goes off on a tangent by way of David Jackson's saxes and some really weird time signatures -- plus some very pretty acoustic and electric guitar work by Hammill himself and Fripp. The monumental "Plague of Lighthouse Keepers," taking up an entire side of the LP, shows the same kind of innovation that characterized Crimson's first two albums, but without the discipline and restraint needed to make the music manageable. The punning titles of the individual sections of this piece (which may have been done for the same reason that Crimson gave those little subtitles to its early extended tracks, to protect the full royalties for the composer) only add to the confusion. As for the piece itself, it features enough virtuoso posturing by everyone (especially drummer Guy Evans) to fill an Emerson, Lake & Palmer album of the same era, with a little more subtlety and some time wasted between the interludes. The 23-minute conceptual work could easily have been trimmed to, say, 18 or 19 minutes without any major sacrifices, which doesn't mean that what's here is bad, just not as concise as it might've been. But the almost operatic intensity of the singing and the overall performance also carries you past the stretches that don't absolutely need to be here. The band was trying for something midway between King Crimson and Genesis, and came out closer to the former, at least instrumentally. Hammill's vocals are impassioned and involving, almost like an acting performance, similar to Peter Gabriel's singing with Genesis, but the lack of any obviously cohesive ideas in the lyrics makes this more obscure and obtuse than any Genesis release. ![]() |
| Posted by: Гордый on 13-11-2006, 20:56 |
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Очень понравились бонусы, |
| Posted by: runo on 14-11-2006, 11:19 | ||
Кстати, если у кого есть H to He.. remastered 2005 - было бы неплохо продолжить это коллекцию! Там тоже бонусы, говорят, зашибись! |
| Posted by: yury_usa on 14-11-2006, 11:30 |
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чего то никто не качает.. запросов по нулям пока |
| Posted by: Гордый on 14-11-2006, 14:31 | ||
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| Posted by: bubamara on 14-11-2006, 16:54 | ||
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| Posted by: OlCh on 14-11-2006, 21:32 | ||
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| Posted by: yury_usa on 14-11-2006, 21:42 |
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bubamara я говорю, с меня никто не качает пока OlCh хеш такой: Van.Der.Graaf.Generator-Pawn.Hearts(2005.Remastered).eac.ape.scans.by.runo.server.alliance.iso (ed2k://|file|Van.Der.Graaf.Generator-Pawn.Hearts(2005.Remastered).eac.ape.scans.by.runo.server.alliance.iso|536228316|4444BD0C8F79DA3B394E04D37651D1C9|h=SS6T27J3DBIAMMCKJULIDE4SKGQGO4BX|/ |
| Posted by: OlCh on 14-11-2006, 22:10 |
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правильный хеш |
| Posted by: bubamara on 14-11-2006, 22:48 | ||
У меня уже приехал. Щазз дойду до ослокомпа и буду вспоминать юность |
| Posted by: Stevie on 15-01-2008, 18:57 |
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А на этом издании часом нет pre-emph? А то что-то очень режуще-звонкие верха. Особенно на вокальных "ц", "с". Да и в целом звук не радует. Может у кого есть неремастированное издание, чтобы сравнить? |
| Posted by: runo on 15-01-2008, 19:31 |
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Да вроде нет там pre-emphasis! Щас не найду... посмотрю куй. Вроде играет нормально, тока компрессии много... |
| Posted by: Stevie on 15-01-2008, 19:52 |
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В куе разумеется нет флага pre. Бывает, что его забывают прописать. Но может это так сверхкомпрессия сказалась... |
| Posted by: runo on 15-01-2008, 20:09 |
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REM GENRE "Progressive Rock" REM DATE 1971 REM DISCID 650F6F08 REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v0.99pb3" PERFORMER "Van Der Graaf Generator" TITLE "Pawn Hearts (Remastered)" FILE "Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts (Remastered).wav" WAVE TRACK 01 AUDIO TITLE "Lemmings (Including Cog)" PERFORMER "Van Der Graaf Generator" FLAGS DCP INDEX 01 00:00:00 TRACK 02 AUDIO TITLE "Man Erg" PERFORMER "Van Der Graaf Generator" FLAGS DCP INDEX 00 11:37:02 INDEX 01 11:39:02 TRACK 03 AUDIO TITLE "A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers" PERFORMER "Van Der Graaf Generator" FLAGS DCP INDEX 00 21:59:15 INDEX 01 22:04:15 TRACK 04 AUDIO TITLE "Theme One [Original Mix - Bonus]" PERFORMER "Van Der Graaf Generator" FLAGS DCP INDEX 00 45:10:65 INDEX 01 45:16:65 TRACK 05 AUDIO TITLE "W [First Version - Bonus]" PERFORMER "Van Der Graaf Generator" FLAGS DCP INDEX 00 48:27:67 INDEX 01 48:31:67 TRACK 06 AUDIO TITLE "Angle Of Incidents [Bonus]" PERFORMER "Van Der Graaf Generator" FLAGS DCP INDEX 00 53:32:20 INDEX 01 53:35:20 TRACK 07 AUDIO TITLE "Ponker's Theme [Bonus]" PERFORMER "Van Der Graaf Generator" FLAGS DCP INDEX 00 58:19:36 INDEX 01 58:23:36 TRACK 08 AUDIO TITLE "Diminutions [Bonus]" PERFORMER "Van Der Graaf Generator" FLAGS DCP INDEX 00 59:47:56 INDEX 01 59:51:56 |
| Posted by: runo on 15-01-2008, 20:10 |
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FLAGS DCP! Что это такое правда не знаю! Но есть! |
| Posted by: Stevie on 15-01-2008, 20:16 |
| Это Digital Copy Protection, если не ошибаюсь. Формальный флажок, на звучание не сказывающийся. |
| Posted by: runo on 15-01-2008, 20:19 |
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Ну тогда ладно! |
| Posted by: zliv on 15-01-2008, 21:52 | ||
Не так. FLAGS DCP = Digital copy permitted т.е Копирование разрешается. В последние годы некоторые драйвы при рипе ЕАС-ом стали добавлять этот флаг от себя. Но то, что интересно - в последнее время мне попадались фирменные диски с этими флагами. Раньше это было немыслимо на фирменных. Флаг в общем значения никакого не имеет, кроме в случаях когда на мини диск записываем. Если флага нет мини-диск рекордер брыкается и говорит, что записи не сделает, мол, разрешения нет. |
| Posted by: Crassimo on 16-01-2008, 07:42 |
| Я извиняюсь, а других дисков из серии ремастеров нету? Просто очень хотелось бы собрать дискографию... |
| Posted by: vvt on 16-01-2008, 10:45 | ||
Присоединяюсь |
| Posted by: OlCh on 16-01-2008, 11:16 |
| помню такой был Topic Link: Van Der Graaf Generator - The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other (http://netlab.e2k.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=65347 |
| Posted by: Bodryachock on 18-01-2008, 01:56 | ||
на т-р.ру вроде все ремастеры проходят ) |
| Posted by: Crassimo on 18-01-2008, 06:31 | ||||
У меня проблемы с торентом |