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Posted by: SACDIOPHILO on 18-05-2008, 22:34

Альбом:

Hi, I am copying my entire cd collection in DVD Audio using a DVD Audio author program, and I noticed a better sound, better bass and better dynamics than with the original, has anyone noticed the same?
I started to record my cd´s in DVD audio becouse I can fit in one DVD 5 to 7 cd´s with all the covers and info I want to wach during the reproduction. :D:

Posted by: SACDIOPHILO on 18-05-2008, 22:58

For those of you interested my hardware setup is:

Digital source: Denon DVD 2900
Preamp multichanel processor: Rotel rsp 960
Power amp multichanel: Rotel RB 985 for center/surround
Stereo power amp: Rotel RB 1080 front left/right
Front laudspeakers: Dynaudio Contour 1.8 mkII
Rear : Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MkII
Center: Dynaudio Contour center
Sub: Sunfire D-10
Videoprojector: Sony Vlp 10ht
Lcd: Polaroid 32 inch

Posted by: TocTep on 18-05-2008, 23:59

Nice gear

Posted by: simi63 on 19-05-2008, 04:03

Hi SACDIPHILO

I need to do the same thing that you did, cause I have a great problem with the space to my records.

Please wich program you use to transfer your CDs to DVD?

I'm with DVD Audio Creator, but I really don't know if it is the best program.

Thank you.

simi63

Posted by: Mordenkainen on 19-05-2008, 09:06

SACDIOPHILO, i think that's because your digital source is optimized for DVD playback, not CD. As most of the DVD and SACD players are.

Posted by: Гордый on 19-05-2008, 12:10

QUOTE (simi63 @ 19-05-2008, 03:03):

Please wich program you use to transfer your CDs to DVD?

Best is Cirlinca DVD-Audio Solo :punk:

Posted by: SACDIOPHILO on 19-05-2008, 15:36

Hi, I use Minnetonka's "Discwelder Bronze" but I am going to try Cirlinca as Гордый sais, here is an interesting report from stereoplay:

http://www.cirlinca.com/include/stereoplay0907report-en.pdf (http://www.cirlinca.com/include/stereoplay0907report-en.pdf

Mordenkainen, I think the same as you, cheers

Posted by: burning shadow on 19-05-2008, 22:41

QUOTE (SACDIOPHILO @ 18-05-2008, 22:34):

If you use lossless unprocessed transfer, this is just impossible. So, I think it is just an "auto-suggestion", don't know if I picked up a right word though. Or else your backups are not 1:1 which isn't good at all.

Posted by: Mordenkainen on 20-05-2008, 08:58

QUOTE:

If you use lossless unprocessed transfer, this is just impossible.

Why impossible? :rolleyes:

Posted by: burning shadow on 20-05-2008, 09:41

QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ 20-05-2008, 08:58):

QUOTE:

If you use lossless unprocessed transfer, this is just impossible.

Why impossible? :rolleyes:

Because it doesn't matter what media is used to store same digital information.

Posted by: schen on 20-05-2008, 09:55

QUOTE:

I noticed a better sound, better bass and better dynamics than with the original, has anyone noticed the same?

it's your imagination only :p:

burning shadow pretty much correct in his explanation.

Posted by: Mordenkainen on 20-05-2008, 15:40

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Because it doesn't matter what media is used to store same digital information.

Если бы все было так просто, то все цифровые источники звучали бы одинаково. Увы..

Posted by: burning shadow on 21-05-2008, 08:33

QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ 20-05-2008, 15:40):

QUOTE:

Because it doesn't matter what media is used to store same digital information.

Если бы все было так просто, то все цифровые источники звучали бы одинаково. Увы..

Все действительно так просто. Разница может быть только в содержимом. Если один и тот же файл записать на CD, DVD, и Blu-Ray, это все равно будет один и тот же файл, байт в байт. И если потом этот файл через цифровой интерфейс подать на один и тот же цифровой процессор (или ресивер), он ну никак не сможет в зависимости от источника по-разному его декодировать.

Я не буду отрицать, что какие-нибудь дешевые аппараты могут вносить какие-то искажения в зависимости от того, с какого источника проигрываются одни и те же цифровые данные, но это уже проблема конкретного аппарата.

Ну и еще вариант - это если CD был записан с preemphasis в расчете на то, что проигрыватель сделает deemphasis. Такой диск действительно будет звучать по-другому, если его просто записать на DVD, да и то только в случае, если CD проигрывается через аналоговый выход аппарата, который это поддерживает.

Posted by: SACDIOPHILO on 22-05-2008, 18:58

I know the information bit by bit is the same in cd than in dvd audio, the difference is the way my dvd processes this information, possibly it has a better hardware to process dvd audio than cd using a different chip set, thats the only reasson I can find, I have made blind fold comparation and I alway preffer the dvd audio copy than the cd original, cheers.

Posted by: Mihey on 24-05-2008, 13:12

Плюсами к методу переноса аудио CD на DVD-Audio могу назвать более продвинутый метод коррекции ошибок и удобство хранения дискографии одной группы на одном или двух носителях. Действительно, DVD-Audio с ЕАСовскими рипами сидюков звучат превосходно.

Минус на мой взгляд один. Это необходимоть использовать видеоустройство для навигации.

Posted by: Sartre on 27-05-2008, 12:41

QUOTE (burning shadow @ 20-05-2008, 09:41):

QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ 20-05-2008, 08:58):

QUOTE:

If you use lossless unprocessed transfer, this is just impossible.

Why impossible? :rolleyes:

Because it doesn't matter what media is used to store same digital information.

I don't disagree with you but a lot of knowledgable people would. There's a long thread over on the Hoffman forums about sound differences between digitally identical material on different medium.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=96428 (http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=96428

Besides, don't you have to resample to 48/96/192 khz to play 44.1khz cd audio on dvd? That will result in changes to the audio, usually for the worse.

Posted by: burning shadow on 27-05-2008, 13:29

QUOTE (Sartre @ 27-05-2008, 12:41):

Well, it's either a playback equipment problems or their imagination. Some people insist that gold cd sounds better than regular one even containing the same digital data, which is nonsense. People who say that usually dont understand anything about nature of digital sound.

QUOTE (Sartre @ 27-05-2008, 12:41):

Besides, don't you have to resample to 48/96/192 khz to play 44.1khz cd audio on dvd? That will result in changes to the audio, usually for the worse.

No, you dont have to do it.