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Доктор Эббеттс.. даешь битлов в DVD-Audio!, решил написать письмо доку :)

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yury_usa

Posted: 15-11-2006, 23:47 (post 1, #677327)

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Пришла в голову идея.. Как многие знают, Dr. Ebbetts занимается трансфером винила на сд.. ЕСли подумать, ведь 16bit/44kHz не есть предел для винила! :actu:

диски Эббеттса звучат замечательно, особенно новая стерео линейка Blue Box винила :wub:

Вот, решил написать ему письмо

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Hello,

I have a question for Doc.. Vinyl tranfer to CDs are great, but what if you could transfer vinyl to dvd-audio? say, 24bit/192khz. Wouldn't this sound better, since there is MUCH less compression going on?
A lot of us have nice DVD/SACD players with good speaker systems, and I have noticed some people stated transferring their vinyl to 24bit/96Khz or 24bit/192kHz

Let me know, what you think of this idea

Thanks,
Yury

практически моментально пришел ответ..

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Greetings Yury,

Great to hear from you again, as always.

This is a great question ...
I've been considering creating the Ebbetts titles on DVD-A for those who want them.
This is something I'd consider offering to my customers by the Spring of next year.
I've been asking many people what they think of the idea, and it has gotten a favorable response.

I'm actually looking for equipment now ...

It'll be a while, but I will do it..

Any suggestions of your own on this? Burners? Media?

D

я ответил, что конечно лучше делать 2х канальные миксы стерео+моно, потому как многоканальный звук будет звучать неестественно, да и нудны хотя бы квадро винилы, которых никогда не было.

В общем, если у кого-то есть дельные мысли в этом направлении, высказываейтесь :hi:

retro

Posted: 16-11-2006, 00:18 (post 2, #677349)

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yury_usa
Дельные мысли есть. Пригласи его на открытую дискуссию к нам. Напиши, что мы все подряд качаем и нам не совсем нравятся некоторые моменты. И вообще спроси, чем он рипы делает.

yury_usa

Posted: 16-11-2006, 00:28 (post 3, #677355)

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retro
он довольно скрытный мужик, особо не распостраняется.. Слышал что у него дорогая и качетвенная аппаратура

вот нашел на форуме пример как делался один из его дисков

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To all you mothers who wants to know about the technical details.

I received a very kind reply explaining how Dr. Ebbetts remove clicks and pops from vinyls.
I found the explaination excellent and after having read it several times I thought it would be a shame if I didn't share it with the rest of you as I'm sure there are more people than just me who will find it interesting.

So here goes -

"The process of removing pops and crackles from vinyl, as done by Ebbetts, is one that could be called a "cancellation" process.

I will avoid being ridiculously technical here. . .(thank goodness, eh?)

The first step is to have EXCELLENT condition vinyl. Vinyl that is in mere "good" condition just won't cut it. It must be close to new and play as quietly as possible.

This "cancellation" process is great for removing pops and surface crackles, but will not be as effective for deep groove scractches. To that end, the process (as with the vast majority of the Ebbetts material) was not only time consuming, but FUND consuming trying to track down and acquire the best source material!

Once the "Get Back" LPs were transferred onto the hard drive of the computer, the best sounding passages of the LPs (the ones that would clearly be the easiest to 'clean up') were "compiled" into one "premaster" wave file.

(Now the process begins)
(Grab a soda and a sandwich, this will be somewhat detailed)

The first step was to go back through the wave file of the premastered "Get Back" LP file that was just created and locate ALL areas of the album that did NOT contain music or conversation. In effect, all of the "in-between" stuff was collected from the "Get Back" LP file. Starting with the "run-on" groove of side one, all the way through the run-off groove of side two, all of these "noise only" sections were found, complete with stylus noise, pops, crackles, turntable motor rumble, etc.
Essentially, a noise snapshot of that particular LP was created, not unlike a fingerprint. Each LP has it's own unique sounds, feel, warmth, pops, crackles, rumbles and noise.
Anyway, these particular noise areas were copied and pasted into their own wave file and called "noise only" and saved.
Of course, the original "Get Back" premaster file was preserved as well.

Using Cool Edit Pro, the "noise only" file just created was reopened.
From the "effects" menu, the "Noise Reduction" function was employed (although no noise reduction was actually ever applied to this LP).
Using the Noise Reduction effect, a permanent noise print was created from the "noise only" file.
This algorythm was saved as "Get Back noise print."

The next step was to APPLY this "Get Back noise print" algorythm on the original "Get Back" premaster file.
Under normal circumstances, the noise print would be applied to the orginal file, and depending on the "strength" of the settings applied to that process by the user, all extra noise resembling that of the noise print would be removed from the original file.
This is the basic process of noise reduction.
Unfortunately, noise reduction often has detremental effects on the original recordings. . .
I do NOT like noise reduction as a rule.

So, what happened next in this particular case was a COMPLETE REVERSAL of the process.

Instead of removing all noise that matched that of the "Get Back noise print," all noise was LEFT BEHIND.
In other words, after applying a REVERSAL of the noise reduction process to the Get Back LP, the music was scrapped in favor of an entire file that had noise, hiss, pops, crackles, and other extemporaneous rumblings.
Of course, the original "Get Back" file wasn't really scrapped. This new noise-only file was saved as a separate waveform called " Get back KN" (keep noise).

The next step was the most time-consuming and processor-intensive of the project. Using the Cool Edit Pro effects menu, the "Pop And Crackle" function was employed. The setting used was a very "heavy" one, meaning that the algorythm was VERY sensitive to impulses that resemble those that are characteristic of vinyl pops and crackles. This process took somewhere in the neighborhood of two hours.

After this process, what was left behind was the "Get Back KN" file WITHOUT the pops and crackles. This "popless" file was saved as "Get Back DP" (de-popped).

(Here's where the cancellation things comes into play)

The "Get Back KN" file was then RE-opened - the one with all the noise AND pops - and copied.
This copy was then mix-pasted directly on top of the "Get Back DP" file - the one with all the pops removed - but INVERTED!!!!!!!!!
The process of INVERTED copying and pasting is where this "cancellation" takes place.
Both files were identical except for the fact that one still had the pops and crackles in it. The other had the pops and crackles removed.
Because one file is inverted, placing it directly on top of the other will CANCEL out all information that is identical in the other file - in this case all the noise. Therefore, after the pasting the inverted file, all that would left behind would be that information that was different - in this case the pops and crackles.
(See how it works?)

The file that was left behind was saved as "Get Back pops only."

This last file was then copied and mix-pasted on top of the original Get Back premaster file. (Remember that one?) There was no need to "invert" this "Get Back pops only" file

The result was a premaster of the Get Back LP about 98% void of all pops and vinyl crackles. Indeed, there were stubborn areas that had to be treated individually, but this is an EXCELLENT method for removing vinyl noise.

So be it."

Thanks to Jose.

Этому посту уже около 5 лет, думаю за это время поменлся и софт и аппаратура, но пинцип мастеринга сильно наверное не изменился :drag:

Гордый

Posted: 16-11-2006, 02:46 (post 4, #677397)

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Идея интересная! Но мне кажеться надо останавливаться на более популярном формате, то бишь VideoDVD! А рипы делать в стерео LPCM 24/96, благо можно это дело запихать в ВидеоДВД без потерь! Ну большего я думаю наврядли можго выжать из такого старого материала! :rolleyes:

yury_usa

Posted: 16-11-2006, 03:17 (post 5, #677400)

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Гордый
выжать можно, тут народные умельцы у сектантов винил рипы 24/192 выкладывали (то ли Майкла Джескона, то ли кого-то еще). ОЧень классно выходит :actu:

Гордый

Posted: 16-11-2006, 06:38 (post 6, #677432)

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yury_usa, Качал я этот релиз, даже очень хорошо звучит!!! Нашим умельцам ещё далеко... Но ты сравнил качество винила М. Джексона и Битлов, это не только две большие разницы. Это две эпохи! У меня есть пару винилов Битлов (жаль сильно поцарапанные) и болгарский Джексона - Thriller. Даже болгарский Джексона - звучит на порядок лучше Битловских! Я за 24/96 и ВидеоДВД! :punk:

yury_usa

Posted: 16-11-2006, 07:03 (post 7, #677436)

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Гордый
а ты посмотри
1. Немецкий MMT HorZu стерева - раз
2. Английский White Album первый прессинг - два
3. Японский красный винил Sgt. Pepper - три
4. Blue Box коробка винила - четыре
5. MFSL винил бокс - пять

все звучат шикарно на виниле, и стоях ох$#%льно дорого :w00t:

вот с них то и предлагается делать двд-аудио :actu:

runo

Posted: 19-11-2006, 14:17 (post 8, #678713)

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QUOTE (yury_usa @ 16-11-2006, 07:03)

вот с них то и предлагается делать двд-аудио :actu:

Ну MFSL весь бокс делать не имеет смысла - на сколько я помню только Hard Day's Night и Abbey Road (даже для Abbey Road UK first pressing лучше)имеет смысл + UHQR Sgt Pepper - обязательно!
Остальные можно найти релизы и получше.
Например Please Please Me можно найти HorZu под названием Die Beatles!

lowsky

Posted: 15-12-2006, 11:40 (post 9, #689980)

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QUOTE (yury_usa @ 15-11-2006, 23:47)

диски Эббеттса звучат замечательно, особенно новая стерео линейка Blue Box винила :wub:

а есть возможность их выложить для ознакомления?

yury_usa

Posted: 15-12-2006, 11:53 (post 10, #689982)

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хочу сам вначале досабрать серию, недавно доктор выпустил еще 3 альбома из blue box

lowsky

Posted: 15-12-2006, 12:21 (post 11, #689993)

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насколько мне известно, даже четыре:

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1. THE BEATLES (UK Stereo LP) (BLUE BOX REMASTER) (2 DISC SET) (WITH FOUR PHOTOS) PCS 7067/7068
2. YELLOW SUBMARINE (UK Stereo LP) (BLUE BOX REMASTER) PCS 7070
3. ABBEY ROAD (UK Stereo LP) (BLUE BOX REMASTER) PCS 7088
4. LET IT BE (UK Stereo LP) (BLUE BOX REMASTER) PCS 7069

The trend has continued. THE most requested project for the Dr. Ebbetts Sound System is STILL the remastering of the famed BLUE BOX set released from Decmeber, 1978. As I have written several times before, for many, this set offers what is considered to be among the best representation of the original UK stereo releases. Therefore, Ebbetts concludes the "stagger release" of the original UK stereo LPs from the BLUE BOX set (save for Rarities) with today’s announcement.

It is VERY necessary for me to point out, as I did in my last announcement, that the LPs from which these new masters are sourced were supplied to me by a very good friend to the Ebbetts project – a VERY patient and valued friend. There are many, many NEW people part of this project now, so this next paragraph will ONCE AGAIN explain how this BLUE BOX REMASTERS series works. If you already have it down - and I suspect that most of you do - please feel free to skip this. This is simply a run through for those who may not know how it works or those who may need a refresher. The Ebbetts catalogue has always offered both the MOBILE FIDELITY and ORIGINAL UK STEREO versions of the British titles. Indeed, up until December of last year, the audio used in each of these sets were identical. The only thing that differentiated, for example, the MFSL version of "Please Please Me" from the standard UK issue of the same title in the Ebbetts catalogue was the artwork. Otherwise, the two were identical. That changed with the Decmeber, 2005 Dr. Ebbetts announcement. Continuing with today's announcement, the MFSL audio masters will stay exactly as they have been, sourced from the actual MFSL vinyl releases. However, the standard UK stereo issues, complete with the original artwork, will slowly be phased in to have the BLUE BOX transfers used as their source material. To many, the MFSL CDs are the best sounding releases around ... but to others, they are too bright with a bit too much EQ on either end of the spectrum, as applied by the geniuses who master these things. To many, the BLUE BOX releases are smoother and more natural sounding and better represent the Beatles recorded work. That’s up to you, of course, but soon, the BLUE BOX will stand to represent the original stereo UK titles. These are NOT upgrades, unfortunately. These are brand new titles. HOWEVER, once the BLUE BOX set is complete, the MFSL set will be redone, complete with new artwork. Those upgrades will definitely be free. But that’s for another time.

These new BLUE BOX releases replicate with FAR MORE accuracy, the artwork of the original releases, right down to the EMITEX logo on the back. Many of you have older version of the artwork and will need these. Even if you do have the new artwork, the audio is brand new.

значит можно надеятся увидеть эту серию в сети?

This post has been edited by lowsky on 15-12-2006, 12:26