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Еще раз говорю - сама запись в оригинале звучит ПЛОХО - мутно, глухо и т.д. Это совсем не СУПЕР САУНД! Ну что теперь делать?! Остается довольствоваться лучшей версией. По мнению многих - лучшая ЦД версия это MFSL!

Вот рипнул! Вот какой лог и куй получились!

EAC extraction logfile from 7. May 2007, 19:54 for CD
Derek And The Dominoes / Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs [MFSL UDCD 585]

Used drive : PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Read offset correction : 30
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Installed external ASPI interface


Range status and errors
Selected range
Filename C:\TO COPY\TO SEND\Derek And The Dominoes - Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs [MFSL UDCD 585].wav

Peak level 92.1 %
Range quality 100.0 %
CRC 6682BC3B
Copy OK

No errors occured

End of status report


REM GENRE Rock
REM DATE 1970
REM DISCID DA120C0E
REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v0.95b4"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
TITLE "Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs [MFSL UDCD 585]"
FILE "Derek And The Dominoes - Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs [MFSL UDCD 585].wav" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "I Looked Away"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 00 00:00:00
INDEX 01 00:00:37
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Bell Bottom Blues"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 00 03:05:20
INDEX 01 03:06:55
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "Keep On Growing"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 01 08:09:65
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "Nobody Knows You When You're Down And Out"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 00 14:31:07
INDEX 01 14:32:07
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "I Am Yours"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 00 19:29:28
INDEX 01 19:30:35
TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "Anyday"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 00 23:05:67
INDEX 01 23:06:67
TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "Key To The Highway"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 01 29:43:52
TRACK 08 AUDIO
TITLE "Tell The Truth"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 00 39:21:10
INDEX 01 39:23:40
TRACK 09 AUDIO
TITLE "Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad?"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 01 46:02:55
TRACK 10 AUDIO
TITLE "Have You Ever Loved A Woman"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 01 50:46:12
TRACK 11 AUDIO
TITLE "Little Wing"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 00 57:38:15
INDEX 01 57:39:50
TRACK 12 AUDIO
TITLE "It's Too Late"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 01 63:13:62
TRACK 13 AUDIO
TITLE "Layla"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 00 67:03:65
INDEX 01 67:04:65
TRACK 14 AUDIO
TITLE "Thorn Tree In The Garden"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominoes"
INDEX 00 74:08:58
INDEX 01 74:09:60


Надо ли выкладывать?

странно, опять CRC не совпал. Может в первом рипе был самопал?

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This post has been edited by soxatyi on 29-01-2011, 18:50

А теперь сравним куи

REM GENRE Rock
REM DATE 1970
REM DISCID D7120C0E
REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v0.95b4"
CATALOG 0000000000000
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
TITLE "Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs"
FILE "Derek And The Dominos - Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs.wav" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "I Looked Away"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Bell Bottom Blues"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 00 03:04:57
INDEX 01 03:06:17
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "Keep On Growing"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 01 08:09:27
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 00 14:30:45
INDEX 01 14:31:45
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "I Am Yours"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 00 19:28:65
INDEX 01 19:29:72
TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "Anyday"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 00 23:05:30
INDEX 01 23:06:30
TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "Key To The Highway"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 01 29:43:15
TRACK 08 AUDIO
TITLE "Tell The Truth"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 00 39:20:47
INDEX 01 39:23:02
TRACK 09 AUDIO
TITLE "Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad?"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 01 46:02:17
TRACK 10 AUDIO
TITLE "Have You Ever Loved A Woman"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 01 50:45:50
TRACK 11 AUDIO
TITLE "Little Wing"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 00 57:37:52
INDEX 01 57:39:12
TRACK 12 AUDIO
TITLE "It's Too Late"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 01 63:13:25
TRACK 13 AUDIO
TITLE "Layla"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 00 67:03:27
INDEX 01 67:04:27
TRACK 14 AUDIO
TITLE "Thorn Tree In The Garden"
PERFORMER "Derek And The Dominos"
INDEX 00 74:08:20
INDEX 01 74:09:22

Я не профи, и в куях ничего не понимаю, но то, что я точно знаю, что они не совпадают. А я так понимаю, что должны???

судя по картинкам - оригинал, если сравнить пиковые уровни - совпадают, но в куях полное разногласие, а такого даже при грубом определении пауз не должно быть. может он из треков собирал свой рип? а чего гадать, может кто спросит у него по англицки и что-бы без обид?

Sorry, I don't speak russian, but if I undertand the discussion here well (combining similarities between my native Slavic language and russian with russ key plugin in Firefox):
1. you are not satisfied with the quality of CD
2. there is a question about compression offset in log file and
3. you are even suspicious if this was the real rip from the original CD.

Ad 1. I can do nothing about that. I was also disappointed a bit when I bought this MFSL (comparing to what I remember about the sound of my vynill long time ago), but as it could happen due to many psychological reasons and I liked this album so much, I didn't pay much attention to that. Still I like it a lot, even in this version.

Ad 2. I gave you the link to the little discussion about this compression offset on HQShare.net (with my answer there), because I don't speak russian and didn't want to use it in comments more than necessary. So, compression offset is something that is here from the times when I was ripping not only the CDImage, but MP3 tracks, too. Maybe it is not correct one, but it was autodetected by EAC for the choosen externall lame compressor. But, what is important, it has nothing to do with ripping to wave image, as proved by Ston3y (see the above hqshare link).

Ad 3. Yes, it is the rip of my original and legally bought MFSL CD, done by EAC with Plextor PX-750A using Action-Copy Image & Create Cue Sheet-Uncompressed. All options are set to what are the HQShare.net rules (I believe you know them) and according to the little ripping manual on that site. All my rips are done at the speed of 0,6-0,7x (whenever I use external ASPI interface, and I use it always for the rips I post somewhere).
Here is the EAC screen with this page in background, with my Layla MFSL CD in Plextor drive.



I bought this CD in an audiophile shop with world known brands of amplifiers, CD players, loudspeakers, turntables ... and only MFSL, Chesky and few Audioqest CDs - And I am quite sure this is not pirated disc. You have all covers and CD label scanned, so I can only say that it is gold CD, in that "strange" tray that releases CD when pulled up with the front box cover.

And, if I understood well, OICh asked if this rip was made from ripped tracks? No, it is ripped CD image with the options mentioned above.

I don't know what to say more. I don't know much about CRCs, kuyakh (??) etc etc. I'm just the music lover who wanted to share the music he likes. And as I couldn't find this album on net, I decided to post it, ripped in accordance to HQShare.net posting rules.

And I am sorry if you are disappointed.

And really very sorry that I don't speak russian (I'd like to) and write this post in english (also not very good), although I know that official language on this site is russian. But I just wanted to say that there was no cheating with this rip, I wouldn't dare to do something like that to the people whose shares I enjoy. And why should I do that when I can download uploading nothing. And last, but not the least, I am too old (listening Layla when first published) even to think about doing something like that.

If you are still suspicious, administrators can delete this post or at least block eDonkey/Kadmelia CD link. I wouldn't be offended.
Best regards.

We really do appreciate your effort, lovemusic

it's very interesting, that Runo's cuesheet has Pre-Gap in first track:

while yours doesn't

do you have "gap detection: secure" set in EAC. Also, couild you paste the same screenshot you did, but with gaps detected. Also a cd-scan would be nice, since you might have different matrix #.

Thanks for your help. I'm starting to believe this has something to do with manufacturer and how the CD was pressed

Well, although I feel more and more like I'm in the Courtroom, let's do it.

1. NOT GUILTY, Your Honor
2. Additional evidence you asked for and that will prove my innocence:

a) Gap detection method:


EAC screen with detected gaps


c) Layla in new ripping process (with compression offset turned off)


d) Log fron the new rip:

e) Cue sheet from the new rip:

f) Although already uploaded, new CD scan:


g) Opposite side CD scan


g)1. Zoom of the opposite side CD scan


h) With Layla CD in CD drive, Music collector screen:


Let's go on with closings:
You Honor, with the evidence above and the evidence presented in the previous post, including the uploaded file itself (with cuesheet, log, and all scans), we are assured that we had proved our defendant (myself) innocent and that the only possible verdict the jury can reach is: NOT GUILTY.

Has the Jury reached the verdict?

переведите плис кто-нибудь

мы здесь не судьи и он не обвиняемый
просто пытаемся (и уже не первый раз, а и с другими дисками) разобраться почему часто получаются некоторые отличия в рипах с одинаковых дисков? и я, например, предполагая лишь, что его рип мог быть сделан с потрекового рипа, ни капельки не сомневался, что его рип сделан с оригинального диска!

lovemusic
my friend, excuse me, I wanted not to say that your rip is not from original disc

мало того - берусь утверждать, что при одинаковых CRC могут быть различия в семплах совершенно серьёзно говорю

No need for excuses, I was just joking.
Regarding different rips and CRCs, I noticed the same CRC and even the same range quality (99,9) in both my rips.

lovemusic
Thank you for the wonderful analysis. And don't get me wrong, I knew from the beginning you had an original, but I thought it was a different pressing like "Made In Japan" MFSL or just different matrix. What is even more interesting is different cuesheets.

Btw, here's translation of OlCh's message right after your long one:

OlCh
Я вроде про куи спрашивал, ведь они разные

yury usa

Thanks for the translation. If needed, please translate my post to OlCh.