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Ñóäÿ ïî ðåçóëüòàòàì 2-õ îïðîñîâ íà Íåòëàáå 1 è 2 îñëîâîäû îòäàþò ïðåäïî÷òåíèå 2 ïëååðàì: ÂèíÀìï Ôóáàð.

 äàííîì îïóñå , ÿ ïîñòàðàþñü íåçàâèñèìî (íàñêîëüêî ýòî âîîá÷å âîçìîæíî) îáñóäèòü ïëþñû è ìèíóñû îáîèõ.
Íè äëÿ êîãî íå ñåêðåò êàêîìó ïëååðó ÿ ëè÷íî ñèìïàòèçèðóþ newest/devil_2.gif , òåì íå ìåíåå ïîñòàðàþñü ïîäîéòè ê âîïðîñó ìàêñèìàëüíî îáüåêòèâíî tongue.gif

Ñðàâíèâàòü áóäåì WinAmp 5.0.5 è foobar2000 v0.8.3 - special


Ïîåõàëè !
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Àóäèî-îñëî-ðåëèçû êàê ïðàâèëî ïðåäñòàâëÿþò ñîáîé ôàéëû RAR ñ óòîïòàííûìè óíóòðü:

1) FLAC/APE + CUE
2) MP3/MPC + M3U

* Oòäåëüíûå òâîð÷åñêèå íàòóðû öåïëÿþò ê RAR-ó êîâðèêè , óðëû íà îñëîñàéòû è ïðî÷åå

Ñêà÷åííûå ðåëèçû êàæäûé çàïèñûâàåò ïî ñâîåìó âêóñó, êòî-òî â âèäå àóäèî-ÑÄ íà áîëâàíêó, êòî-òî ðàñïàêîâûâàåò è ïèøåò â äàòà-ìîäå APE + CUE íà ÄÂÄ, íî èñòèííûå îñëîâîäû, êàê âûÿñíèëîñü , ñòàðàþòñÿ ïèñàòü ðåëèçû â ïåðâîçäàííîì âèäå âî èçáåæàíèè èçìåíåíèÿ ñâÿòîãî ãðààëÿ èñòèííîãî îñëîâîäà - õåøà rolleyes.gif
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Ò.î. èìååì: íîñèòåëü ñ çàïèñàííûìè íà íåì:

1) èñõîäíûé "èãðàáåëüíûé" RAR, çàïèñàííûé ñ ðàñøèðåíèåì APE + CUE
2) RAR â ñàìîì ÷òî íå íàåñòü ðàðíîì âèäå ñ mpc/mp3-øêàìè âíóòðè

Èãðàåì âèíàìïîì:

1) ïðèäåòñÿ êà÷àòü plugin mp3cue ( â ñòàíäàðòíóþ ïîñòàâêó íå âõîäèò )
îãðàíè÷åíèÿ - òðåêè íåëüçÿ ïîìåíÿòü ìåñòàìè, shuffle/random äåéñòâóþò òîëüêî íà áîëüøèå ôàéëû

2) ÀÔÀÈÊ íèêàê, íàäî ðàñïàêîâàòü RAR è òîëüêî ïîñëå ýòîãî ìîæíî ñëóøàòü ìóçûêó

Ôóáàð:

1) èãðàåò , ïðîáëåì ñ øàôôëîì è ðýíäîìîì íå îáíàðóæåíî

2) èãðàåò, íà ñêàíèðîâàíèå/ðàñïîçíàâàíèå òðýêîâ âíóòðè ðàð-îâ óõîäèò íåêîòîðîå âðåìÿ ( < ìèíóòû)
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ÿ áû òîæå ñëîíà ïèíóë:
ÿ íå ïîëüçóþñü ïÿòûì àìïîì ïðîñòî ïîòîìó ÷òî ëó÷øåå - âðàã õîðîøåãî - ýòî êàê âòîðîé çàêîí Ìóðà äëÿ êîìïüþòåðíîé èíäóñòðèè, òîëüêî ïðèäóìàë åãî Ìàéêðîñîôò. À ïîëüçóþ 2.95 - ìíå øêóðêè íðàâÿòñÿ.

ïî ïîâîäó èãðàáåëüíûõ àðõèâîâ - êëàë ÿ íà íèõ, êàê íå ñòðàííî. ìíå APE íåãäå õðàíèòü - ÿ íà DVD íå õî÷ó íè ðàçîðÿòüñÿ, íè ïåðåêëàäûâàòü áëèíû. ß âñå ïåðåêîäèðóþ è òàêèõ, êàê ÿ ïîìíþ - íå åäèíèöû. Ïîýòîìó óáåäèòåëüíàÿ ðàçíèöà ìîæåò áûòü, íàâåðíîå, òîëüêî ïî çâó÷àíèþ. À òóò - íà âêóñ è öâåò 8(.

ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, ôóáàðîé ÿ òîæå íå øèáêî äàâíî íà÷àë ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ è ïîýòîìó íå îáúåêòèâåí, ïîýòîìó ìíå ýòîò îáçîð áûë áû èíòåðåñåí ñ ò.ç. êàê ìîæíî è çà÷åì ìåíÿòü øèëî íà ìûëî.

ìîæåò áûòü îáñóäèì ïðîáëåìû îäíîãî è äðóãîãî - åñëè ýòî èíòåðåñíî íàðîäó, òîãäà ìîæíî áóäåò äåéñòâèòåëüíî êòî åñòü õó âçâåñèòü.

Billy Bonce, ÿ íå ê òåáå îòíîøóñü, à ê èíòåðåñóþùåé òåìå - ïîêà ñûðîâàòî îíà çâó÷èò.
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ÿ ïðåäëàãàþ ïåðå÷èñëèòü çàäà÷è ðàäè êîòîðûõ ìîæíî ïåðåïîëçàòü ïîä ôóáàð (íèêòî âåäü íå ñîìíåâàåòñÿ, ÷òî îí â ïðèíöèïå ìîùíåå)

âèíàìïîì ÿ ñëóøàþ:
mp3 & mp3Pro, â êîòîðûå ñàì êîäèðóþ ãîëîñ - óæå ïðèâûê ê ÷èñëó êëèêîâ ÷òîáû ïîäãðóçèòü êàòàëîã (íå ïëåéëèñò)
mpc - ìóçûêà
ape\flac áåç cue (ÿ íå çàâåë ó ñåáÿ ýòîò ïëàãèí) - ÷òîáû ïðîâåðèòü áûñòðåíüêî ÷òî ýòî çà ìóçîí (âïðî÷åì, ôóáàð òóò ïåðåðóëèâàåò - êóé â íåì æåëåçíûé %)

èíîãäà ÿ øàëþ ñ ýêâàëàéçåðîì èëè DSP (êîìïðåññîð-âàéäåð) èëè çàîäíî è òåìï ìåíÿþ (moreFX ïîçâîëÿåò êîíâåéåðèçèðîâàòü DSP ïîä àìïîì).
âîò è âñå.

à ôóáàðîé ÿ óæå:
- ñìîòðþ êðàñèâûå êàðòèíêè ñîíîãðàììû (+ çâóê è ïîíèìàþ ñòîèò ëè òàêîé èëè ñÿêîé ïîêàçàòåëü êà÷åñòâà êîäåêó çàäàòü)
- êóþ ìóçûêó ïåðåä ïðîæèãîì (çàìåíà WAV->APE || FLAC, à ïîòîì ïî òðåêàì ïðûãàòü)
- ïèøó ÷åðåç ïðèâîä íåðû, êîãäà íåðó ïî êàêîé òî ïðè÷èíå íåëüçÿ çàêðûòü - ýòî îêàçàëîñü óäîáíåå ñäåëàòü, òàê êàê áûñòðåå ãðóçèòñÿ, ìåíüøå íàñòðîåê íóæíî óêàçûâàòü (overall mouseclick íèæå %) ). íåäîñòàòîê åñòü - ïåðåä çàïèñüþ âñå òðåêè êîíâåðòèðóþòñÿ, íî ýòî ïîçâîëÿåò replaygain âûñòàâèòü, õîòÿ íå ïîëüçóþñü ýòèì... â îáùåì - íå îäíîçíà÷íî ëó÷øå.
- â ïîñëåäíåå âðåìÿ òýãè íàó÷èëñÿ ïðèêðó÷èâàòü - çàíÿòíî è ïîëåçíî
- âíóòðåíèé DSP wider\compressor òîæå î÷åíü çàìå÷àòåëüíî ïîäíèìàåò íàñòðîåíèå, òîëüêî ïîíÿòü íå ìîãó - îíî ìíå íóæíî?

í-äà, ñìîòðþ, à ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî çà÷åì ÷òî-òî ìåíÿòü - íå ïîíÿòíî. õîòåëîñü áû, íàâåðíîå, íàó÷èòü ôóáàð ïðÿìî èç APE èëè FLAC êîäèðîâàòü â Musepack, íî íóæíî åùå è cdDB îïðàøèâàòü óìåòü. Åñëè áû ýòî áûëî - ôóáàð çàðóëèë áû ñî ñòðàøíîé ñèëîé, òàê êàê çàìåíèë áû ìíîãî-ìíîãî êëèêîâ áåçäóìíûõ.
Billy Bonce, òû íå çíàåøü, ñëó÷àåì, êàê ýòî ìîæíî ôóáàðó îáúÿñíèòü?, ñïàñèáî.
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À íå äëÿ êîãî íå ñåêðåò, ÷òî â àóäèî-ðåëèçàõ íåòëàáîâêèå îñëîâîäû - ñàìûå îñëîâîäèñòûå îñëîâîäû âñåãî ìèðîâîãî îñëîâîäñòâà newest/wub2.gif newest/punk.gif


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Êàê ãîâîðÿò íà íåêîòîðûõ ðåñóðñàõ : "òåìà ãðåáëè íå ðàñêðûòà" biggrin.gif
Ýòîò òîïèê - ÷åðíîâèê, ìíîãî ÷åãî åùå äîïèøåòñÿ ..

Ïðàâèëüíåå íàâåðíî áûëî íàïèñàòü ñðàçó ïîëíîñòüþ , âûëîâèòü âñåõ áëîõ, à ïîòîì îïóáëèêîâàòüñÿ , íî

âî-ïåðâûõ , âñå î âñåõ ïëàãèíàõ è ïðèìî÷êàõ âèíàìïà/ôóáàðà çíàòü íåâîçìîæíî, îáÿçàòåëüíî ÷òî-òî ïðîïóñòèòñÿ

âî-âòîðûõ , îáùàÖà ñ æèâûìè ëþäüìè èíòåðåñíåå ÷åì ïèñàòü ïðîñòðàííûå òåõíè÷åñêèå îïèñàíèÿ newest/devil_2.gif

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Ê âîïðîñó î ôîðìàòàõ ðåëèçîâ è ðåçèíîâûõ âèíòàõ.

Êàê èçâåñòíî ðeçèíîâûå âèíòû åùå íå èçîáðåëè, è ìåñòî íà äèñêå/áîëâàíêàõ èìåþò íåïðèÿòíîå ñâîéñòâî çàêàí÷èâàòüñÿ, ïðè÷åì íåîæèäàííî newest/fear2.gif

È òîãäà âîçíèêàåò âîïðîñ: êàê çà òå æå äåíüãè ïîèìåòü áîëüøå ìóçûêè ?

Îòâåòîâ ñîáññíà 2: èëè ñòåðåòü ÷òî-íèáóäü íåíóæíîå èëè óæàòü lossless ìóçûêó ÷åì-íèáóäü lossy-îáðàçíûì : ìpc/mp3/ogg ...

T.ê. êà÷àåòñÿ ó íàñ èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ðóëåç, òî ñòèðàòü íè÷åãî íå áóäåì , ïîãîâîðèì îá ñæàòèè :

ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ

Âèíàìï:
AFAIK îäíèì âèíàìïîì â ýòîì äåëå îáîéòèñü ê ñîæàëåíèþ íåëüçÿ: âèíàìï íå ðåæåò áîëüøîé àïå íà òðýêè

Îáû÷íî ÀPE ðàñïàêîâûâàåòñÿ , ðåæåòñÿ ÅÀÑ-îì , ïîëó÷åííûå òðýêè óæå ìîæíî ñæàòü File Writer output pluginîì , ïîääåðæèâàåò FLAC/APE (ïîääåðæêà âøèòà â ïëàãèí) , MP3/OGG (òðåáóåò âíåøíåãî ýíêîäåðà)

ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ

Ôóáàð
Ðåæåò èñõîäíûé ÀÐÅ ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî, äåêîäèðóåò â lossy ía ëåòó (ïðè æåëàíèè ìîæíî ñêà÷àòü äëë-û ýíêîäåðà/ èëè ïîëîæèòü åêçåøíèê åíêîäåðà â êîðåíü ôóáàðà) ïîääåðæèâàåò APE/FLAC/MPC/MP3/OGG ( ìîæíî âûáðàòü ñòàíäàðòíûå ïðåñåòû èëè âïèñàòü ñâîè), òàãè èç CUE ôàéëà ïèøóòñÿ àâòîìàòè÷åñêè â êàæäûé òðýê

*) Èçðåäêà áûâàþò ðåëèçû ñ íåïðîïèñàííûìè òðýêàìè:
èñïîëíèòåëü - Unknown
òðýêè - Untitled

ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ

ÂèíÀìï:
1)ïîäãðóçèòü îáðàç äèñêà â DeamonTools/NeroImageDrive/...
2)ñêîðìèòü äèñê ïëååðó êàê àóäèî ÑÄ
3)òàíåö ñ áóáíîì

[òàíåö]
U will need plugin, which you can get from http://www.url.ru/~copah/

Open Winamp. Go to Options/Preferences/Plugins/Input and select the CD-Reader-Plugin (in_cdreader.dll). Click Configure and select the CDDB-Tab. Check the checkbox "Use Internet CDDB" and enter freedb.freedb.org:8880 (or any other of the freedb servers) as "CDDB server address"

[/òàíåö]

ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ

Ôóáàð:
1) ïîäãðóçèòü êóé â ïëååð
2) âûäåëèòü òðýêè->ïðàâûé êëèê->freedb->get tags

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Billy Bonce, freeDB ðàáîòàåò ðóëåçíî - îñòàëîñü òîëüêî ñ ýíêîäåðàìè ðàçîáðàòüñÿ è ÿ ãîòîâ âûêèíóòü ñâîé cdEX êàê íèêóäà íå íóæíûé. à åñëè åùå ðàçðþõàþ êàê ñêèíû ê ôóáàðå êðåïèòü - è WinAmp ïîéäåò ïîä íîæ.

èòîãî: íåò ëè áîëåå êîíêðåòíîé íàâîäêè íà encoding dlls äëÿ ôóáàðû? ÿ òîæå ïîèùó, íî åñëè òû çíàåøü ãäå - çäîðîâÅå áóäåò.
[upd] ïîøåë êàê óìíûé âàñÿ íà ãèäðîãåí ïðî ôóáàð ïî÷èòàòü... íå äî÷èòàþ, íàâåðíîå, äàæå åñëè êîðì ìíå áóäóò â ïîñòåëü ïðèíîñòèòü, êîãäà â ïñèõóøêó ïðîïèøóò. newest/helpsmilie.gif - ÊÀÊ ïåðåäàòü èíôó âî âíåøíèé êîäåê? - ñóíóë ÿ mppenc.exe, à âîç - è íûíå íåòó [/upd]

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Äûê ýòî, âñå ïðîñòî äî íåïðèëè÷èÿ:

1) øàøêè íàãîëî ... ò.å. mppenc.exe â C:\Program Files\foobar2000
2) ïðàâûé êëèê->Convert->Command line encoder:MPC --xtreme

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QUOTE (Billy Bonce @ 12-09-2004, 12:56)
Ôóáàð:
1) ïîäãðóçèòü êóé â ïëååð
2) âûäåëèòü òðýêè->ïðàâûé êëèê->freedb->get tags

Âîò çäåñü ïîïîäðîáíåé: êàêîé ôóáàð èñïîëüçóåòñÿ? Ó ìåíÿ òàêîãî âûáîðà ïð.êíîïîé íåòó... sad.gif Ïëàãèíû íóæíû?
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QUOTE (Spyle @ 13-09-2004, 22:05)
QUOTE (Billy Bonce @ 12-09-2004, 12:56)
Ôóáàð:
1) ïîäãðóçèòü êóé â ïëååð
2) âûäåëèòü òðýêè->ïðàâûé êëèê->freedb->get tags

Âîò çäåñü ïîïîäðîáíåé: êàêîé ôóáàð èñïîëüçóåòñÿ? Ó ìåíÿ òàêîãî âûáîðà ïð.êíîïîé íåòó... sad.gif Ïëàãèíû íóæíû?

1) Ñì. 1-ûé ïîñò tongue.gif

2) íåò
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QUOTE (Billy Bonce @ 13-09-2004, 08:25)
eShiva  Äûê ýòî, âñå ïðîñòî äî íåïðèëè÷èÿ:  1) øàøêè íàãîëî ... ò.å. mppenc.exe â C:\Program Files\foobar2000
2) ïðàâûé êëèê->Convert->Command line encoder:MPC --xtreme  ôñå  smile.gif

ñîãëàñåí, newest/laugh.gif , êàê îêàçàëîñü, ó ìåíÿ ýòîãî íå áûëî â íàñòðîéêàõ ïî ïðè÷èíå òîãî, ÷òî íå óäàëèë ïðîøëûé áèëä, à èíñòàëëèðîâàë ïîâåðõ newest/wallbash.gif

à íå ïîäåëèøüñÿ ôîðìàòíîé ñòðîêîé äëÿ ïîëó÷àåìûõ ôàéëîâ? õî÷åòñÿ ïîëó÷èòü ÷òî-òî òèïà:
Artist\Year-Title\TrackNum with leading Zero - TrackName - òî åñòü - äâà êàòàëîãà è ôàéë ñ íàçâàíèåì êàê òðýê.

FYI .\foobar2000\titleformat_help.html - òóò ïåðåìåííûå è ôóíêöèè ôîðìàòèðîâàíèÿ. 8) - ãû, ãû, ñêîðî âèíàìïó êèðäûê!

à ñòðîêà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ òèïà: %artist%\[%date%]-%album%\$num(%_diskwriter_index%,3)-%title% - ýòî ïîëÿ èç CDDB òýãîâ

This post has been edited by eShiva on 14-09-2004, 12:14
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