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Артист: Genesis Альбом: Trespass, 1970 Издатель: MCA Canada / MCAD 1653 Жанр: Progressive rock Формат файла: EAC, WAV Pack, CUE, LOG, Covers, Embedded album art, ISO Ссылка 1: CD 1 160 clicks Ссылка 2: CD 2 Примечание: одна из лучших версий по звуку!

TRACKLIST

1. "Looking for Someone" – 7:06 (Lyrics: Gabriel) . . . . 2. "White Mountain" – . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6:45 3. "Visions of Angels" (Phillips) – . . . . . . . . .6:51 4. "Stagnation" (Gabriel, Phillips, Rutherford) – . .8:50 5. "Dusk" – . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4:13 6. "The Knife" (Banks, Gabriel) – . . . . . . . . . .8:56

SPOILER (EAC Log)

EAC extraction logfile from 3. December 2007, 9:29 for CD Genesis / Trespass Used drive : TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R1002 Adapter: 0 ID: 1 Read mode : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache Read offset correction : 708 Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No Used output format : C:\Program Files\EAC\flac-1.2.0-win\bin\flac.exe (User Defined Encoder) 320 kBit/s Additional command line options : -V -8 -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" %s Other options : Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000 Track 1 Filename K:\01 Looking For Someone.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00 Peak level 100.0 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 6A236D8E Copy CRC 6A236D8E Copy OK Track 2 Filename K:\02 White Mountain.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:01.09 Peak level 83.8 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 6927939F Copy CRC 6927939F Copy OK Track 3 Filename K:\03 Visions Of Angels.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:01.24 Peak level 84.1 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC D970F2FA Copy CRC D970F2FA Copy OK Track 4 Filename K:\04 Stagnation.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:02.37 Peak level 100.0 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 93433E1A Copy CRC 93433E1A Copy OK Track 5 Filename K:\05 Dusk.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:00.44 Peak level 59.5 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC D17EE15C Copy CRC D17EE15C Copy OK Track 6 Filename K:\06 The Knife.wav Pre-gap length 0:00:00.53 Peak level 100.0 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 878DCEDB Copy CRC 878DCEDB Copy OK No errors occured End of status report

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Review (Wiki)
Trespass is the second studio album by Genesis and was recorded and released in 1970. The only album with drummer John Mayhew and the last with guitarist Anthony Phillips, Trespass had a folk-flavoured progressive rock sound that was a marked departure from their earlier work, and foreshadowed the path the band would follow through the 1970s.

The compositions were generally much longer and complex than before, featuring several different musical sections. The sound evokes a kind of 'pastoral English idyll' espoused by numerous progressive rock bands of the time. To this end, much use is made of multi-tracked 12-string acoustic guitars, blended with folky vocal harmonies, flute, acoustic piano, and gentle keyboard pads on Hammond organ and mellotron. The drum playing is generally fairly soft, which actually complements the atmosphere, although the band were unhappy with John Mayhew's skills and replaced him with Phil Collins following Trespass' completion and Anthony Phillips' departure.

Despite its generally muted, pastoral, folky feel, the album is not without dynamic moments. Peter Gabriel's vocals are soulful and angst-ridden throughout, particularly at the climax of "Stagnation", which also includes a prominent Hammond organ solo from Tony Banks. Closing track "The Knife" is aggressive and bombastic, featuring some biting lyrics from Gabriel, with Mike Rutherford playing fuzz bass. The song, which received great praise by The Nice's Keith Emerson,[citation needed] became a favourite closer to live shows and appeared - with lyrical changes - on Genesis' 1973 first live album Genesis Live.

QUOTE (SH forums)

There have been comments made about the MCA having shortened endings on all tracks. In fact, the Canadian MCA has longer reverb tails on all tracks than the V/C or the DE. The impression of being shortened is due to two reasons: (a) the reverb tails are abruptly cut off instead of smoothly faded out, and (b) there are shorter silent gaps between tracks compared to the V/C and DE. If you give the reverb tails on the Canadian MCA smooth fadeouts, you end up with endings very similar to the DE. It is actually the V/C that has the most shortened endings. The MCAs are generally agreed to be brighter-sounding than the V/Cs. Opinion is divided as to which version sounds better.

Интересно послушаю обе - сравню, но только через пару дней, когда домой вернусь к хорошей аппаратуре, а то на ноуте разницы точно не замечу . Юр а самому какая версия больше понравилась?

Ну, я пока на нушниках слушал, больше понравилось от MCA. Звук там действительно ярче, и есть шипение, но мне он показался более натуральным, VC после него немного приглушенно звучит

nice

Скачал, сравнил, MCA звучит прозрачней и объемней, у V/C такое ощущение, что применяли шумодав - зажата середина и верха немного. Мне больше понравился MCA - он мясистей и вкусней!
yury_usa
Еще раз огромное спасибо за релиз!

All of you are crazy!!! What i'm viewing????
MCA sounds really EQ'd..., and compressed!!!! OH NNOOOOO!!!!!

Just compare it with SoundForge!!!! The DE Remaster have less EQ and compression!!!

Come'on, raise up the V/C volume and it don't sound 'muted' anymore..

p.s:
hint: the compressed versions don't allow you to raise the volume too much, cause' they are COMPRESSED and causes EAR BLEED!!!!

This post has been edited by bertox on 03-07-2008, 11:49

bertox
maybe you are right, I've only listened on PC headphones

Some times when i listening something 'compressed' the first impression is that the sound is 'robust' and 'tasty', but these sensations disappear right after i test the un-compressed versions, cause' i prefer 'natural' sound instead to 'tasty' sound.

The music (except electronic) don't sound compressed.
The instruments sound don't be compressed.
The 'robust' and 'tasty' effect are only a 1st illusion, maybe made to sell more copies and by deaf new generation engineers.

I've listened with headphones too.

This post has been edited by bertox on 04-07-2008, 02:10

Мне вот интересно...компрессия по идее должна делать запись громче, правильно?

QUOTE

Пиковые Уровни: V/C Nimbus : 100.0% - 100.0% -100.0% - 100.0% - 54.8% - 100.0% Пиковые Уровни: MCA Canada : 100.0% - 83.8% - 84.1% - 100.0% - 59.5% - 100.0%

То есть на большинстве треков MCA тише.

this only shows the peaks, not the dynamics.

and the MCA EQ is a circus...

This post has been edited by bertox on 04-07-2008, 06:33

Can you post dynamics pictures for these two versions, pls?

ps. i am not at home now, so i can't compare

This post has been edited by Crassimo on 04-07-2008, 06:33

i don't know how to posting the images here....

This post has been edited by bertox on 04-07-2008, 06:41

I know
Here we go: (all images are clickable)

Virgin Charisma Waveform


MCA Canada Waveform


Virgin Charisma spectrum


MCA Canada spectrum

Вопрос.. Судя по скринам выше, на MCA звук слегка "замылен", если можно так выразится. Может там присутвует pre-emphasis?
translation: Maybe there is pre-emphasis on MCA Canada disc?