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Артист: Glenn Gould Альбом: 2007 Издатель: SONY CLASSICS Жанр: Classical Формат файла: eac-log-cue-ape-rar Ссылка: CD 96 clicks Нахождение: eDonkey/Kademlia

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1. Oskar Morawetz / Fantasy in D minor [0:16:40.11] 2. Istvan Anhalt / Fantasia [0:11:06.24] 3. Jacques Hйtu / Variations pour piano, Op. 8 [0:11:20.27]

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EAC extraction logfile from 23. April 2008, 17:28 for CD Glenn Gould / Canadian Music in the XXth Century Used drive : PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111 Adapter: 1 ID: 0 Read mode : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache Read offset correction : 48 Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No Used output format : Internal WAV Routines 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo Other options : Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000 Range status and errors Selected range Filename C:\МузыкаДляОсла\27 Glenn Gould - Canadian Music in the XXth Century.wav Peak level 96.6 % Range quality 100.0 % CRC 8A86831D Copy OK No errors occured End of status report

Hi,

I am sorry to say, but this is not a true lossless file. Perhaps it came from a pirated CD. It is still good music and doesn't kill your ears to listen to, but it is in everybody's interest that files that were originally mp3s are not circulated as lossless music. After all, why bother wasting harddrive space and download time for lossless formats if the technical quality is the same as mp3?

It has been sourced from mp3 which is shown quite clearly in the screenshot below. MP3 compression reduces the signals between 16-20kHz and the red top of the spectrum should look natural and irregular and be placed at the lowest slightly above 20kHz. Instead it has been cut off neatly at precisely 16kHz and left some blocky signals in the band above, chunky blocks that are another clear sign of compression.

QUOTE (nixon @ 06-06-2008, 13:18)

Hi, I am sorry to say, but this is not a true lossless file. Perhaps it came from a pirated CD. It is still good music and doesn't kill your ears to listen to, but it is in everybody's interest that files that were originally mp3s are not circulated as lossless music. After all, why bother wasting harddrive space and download time for lossless formats if the technical quality is the same as mp3? It has been sourced from mp3 which is shown quite clearly in the screenshot below. MP3 compression reduces the signals between 16-20kHz and the red top of the spectrum should look natural and irregular and be placed at the lowest slightly above 20kHz. Instead it has been cut off neatly at precisely 16kHz and left some blocky signals in the band above, chunky blocks that are another clear sign of compression.

Кто-нибудь переведёт что этот пользователь хочет? я всё в толк не возьму, то ли перевод в апе не правильный, то ли у меня диски не той системы....?

[QUOTE=Peterpiano,06-06-2008, 14:55]

QUOTE (nixon @ 06-06-2008, 13:18)

Hi, I am sorry to say, but this is not a true lossless file. Perhaps it came from a pirated CD. It is still good music and doesn't kill your ears to listen to, but it is in everybody's interest that files that were originally mp3s are not circulated as lossless music. After all, why bother wasting harddrive space and download time for lossless formats if the technical quality is the same as mp3? It has been sourced from mp3 which is shown quite clearly in the screenshot below. MP3 compression reduces the signals between 16-20kHz and the red top of the spectrum should look natural and irregular and be placed at the lowest slightly above 20kHz. Instead it has been cut off neatly at precisely 16kHz and left some blocky signals in the band above, chunky blocks that are another clear sign of compression. Кто-нибудь переведёт что этот пользователь хочет? я всё в толк не возьму, то ли перевод в апе не правильный, то ли у меня диски не той системы....?

Он считает что у тебя нелизензионное издание,а пиратка,и звук состряпали из mp3... Его смущают спектры... Я это издание не качал,
поэтому сказать что-либо не могу. Вот придет Olch,он точно скажет где и почем.

Hi,

All I want to do is to alert you to the fact that:

a) if you got these APEs from someone else, they fooled you by pretending that all of them are geniune; or,
if you bought them yourself, you have been sold pirated CDs.

You don't have to take my word for it, just ask around in any audiophile forum on the internet where sound experts/technicians are present (such as hydrogenaudio.org), and they will tell you that the screenshot above depicts music having been compressed to mp3. Once compressed to mp3, what is lost is lost forever, and no matter if the file is recoded to a lossless format, it will still essentially be an mp3 file.

The other CDs you have uploaded here are alright and genuine, but the ones I commented on today with screenshots are sourced from mp3-compressed files.

All the best!

nixon,It is not worth doing, hasty conclusions without knowing what made the record ...

[QUOTE=night-jar,06-06-2008, 15:18]

QUOTE (Peterpiano @ 06-06-2008, 14:55)

QUOTE (nixon @ 06-06-2008, 13:18) Hi, I am sorry to say, but this is not a true lossless file. Perhaps it came from a pirated CD. It is still good music and doesn't kill your ears to listen to, but it is in everybody's interest that files that were originally mp3s are not circulated as lossless music. After all, why bother wasting harddrive space and download time for lossless formats if the technical quality is the same as mp3? It has been sourced from mp3 which is shown quite clearly in the screenshot below. MP3 compression reduces the signals between 16-20kHz and the red top of the spectrum should look natural and irregular and be placed at the lowest slightly above 20kHz. Instead it has been cut off neatly at precisely 16kHz and left some blocky signals in the band above, chunky blocks that are another clear sign of compression. Кто-нибудь переведёт что этот пользователь хочет? я всё в толк не возьму, то ли перевод в апе не правильный, то ли у меня диски не той системы....? Он считает что у тебя нелизензионное издание,а пиратка,и звук состряпали из mp3... Его смущают спектры... Я это издание не качал, поэтому сказать что-либо не могу. Вот придет Olch,он точно скажет где и почем.

покупал на амазоне, тут не должно быть проблем, а может обезьяна могла дать такой эфект?

QUOTE (nixon @ 06-06-2008, 15:29)

Hi, All I want to do is to alert you to the fact that: a) if you got these APEs from someone else, they fooled you by pretending that all of them are geniune; or, if you bought them yourself, you have been sold pirated CDs. You don't have to take my word for it, just ask around in any audiophile forum on the internet where sound experts/technicians are present (such as hydrogenaudio.org), and they will tell you that the screenshot above depicts music having been compressed to mp3. Once compressed to mp3, what is lost is lost forever, and no matter if the file is recoded to a lossless format, it will still essentially be an mp3 file. The other CDs you have uploaded here are alright and genuine, but the ones I commented on today with screenshots are sourced from mp3-compressed files. All the best!

а здесь что он говорит?

QUOTE (Peterpiano @ 06-06-2008, 16:07)

покупал на амазоне, тут не должно быть проблем, а может обезьяна могла дать такой эфект?

Да нет,обезьяна здесь не причем,это грубо говоря обыкновенный архиватор,только для музыки,сжимает без потерь используя свой алгоритм. Если покупал на амазоне лицензию,у тебя должен быть
жирный проспект,где дана вся информация,в том числе о носителе с которого сводился звук,и на чем сводился...Найди и отсканируй эту информацию из буклета,выложи на форуме,тогда думается все будет предельно ясно. Я обычно верю своим ушам,а потом уже спектрам,но сего издания я не качал,какой там звук мне неведомо. Подождем что скажут уважаемые комрады,которые скачали и послушали...

QUOTE (night-jar @ 06-06-2008, 16:58)

QUOTE (Peterpiano @ 06-06-2008, 16:07) покупал на амазоне, тут не должно быть проблем, а может обезьяна могла дать такой эфект? Да нет,обезьяна здесь не причем,это грубо говоря обыкновенный архиватор,только для музыки,сжимает без потерь используя свой алгоритм. Если покупал на амазоне лицензию,у тебя должен быть жирный проспект,где дана вся информация,в том числе о носителе с которого сводился звук,и на чем сводился...Найди и отсканируй эту информацию из буклета,выложи на форуме,тогда думается все будет предельно ясно. Я обычно верю своим ушам,а потом уже спектрам,но сего издания я не качал,какой там звук мне неведомо. Подождем что скажут уважаемые комрады,которые скачали и послушали...

Вы имеете в виду отсканировать 249 страниц текста? этот буклетик действительно жирненький.... Я пианист с приличным стажем и не слышу ничего притензионного в записях, единственное, издали неудобно.... кстати, любителям Гульда сделаю подарок ввиде шести дисков совсем раннего Гульда и пять дисков с радиопередачами...вот бы выпустили полную антологию Горовца, было бы очень удобно, всё в одной коробке)

This post has been edited by Peterpiano on 06-06-2008, 17:04

QUOTE (night-jar @ 06-06-2008, 15:53)

nixon,It is not worth doing, hasty conclusions without knowing what made the record ...

Of course it is not wise to draw hasty conclusions, and precisely for that reason, I did do some extensive testing with other Sony/CBS releases of the same recordings to see if they differed. And they all did! I made similar tests with the Goldbergs and Beethoven's concertos and the Hindemith sonatas for brass.

For instance, take the French Suites (Bach). Currently at Demonoid there is a seed of the 1970s CBS release. It's the same recording that Sony has released in the box we are discussing here.

The CBS recording has a perfectly naturally looking top level of the spectrum at just above 20kHz, as one could expect from CDDA.

This same recording Sony released later, after buying CBS Masterworks, in their white-cover Glenn Gould Edition. Only now they had remastered it with 20kBit technique further improving the technical quality.

The one shared here has a neat haircut at 16kHz though and occasional bricks above.

What could explain that difference?

PS. Pirated CDs are bought and sold in the Amazon market place as well, you know.

QUOTE (nixon @ 06-06-2008, 17:05)

QUOTE (night-jar @ 06-06-2008, 15:53) nixon,It is not worth doing, hasty conclusions without knowing what made the record ... Of course it is not wise to draw hasty conclusions, and precisely for that reason, I did do some extensive testing with other Sony/CBS releases of the same recordings to see if they differed. And they all did! I made similar tests with the Goldbergs and Beethoven's concertos and the Hindemith sonatas for brass. For instance, take the French Suites (Bach). Currently at Demonoid there is a seed of the 1970s CBS release. It's the same recording that Sony has released in the box we are discussing here. The CBS recording has a perfectly naturally looking top level of the spectrum at just above 20kHz, as one could expect from CDDA. This same recording Sony released later, after buying CBS Masterworks, in their white-cover Glenn Gould Edition. Only now they had remastered it with 20kBit technique further improving the technical quality. The one shared here has a neat haircut at 16kHz though and occasional bricks above. What could explain that difference? PS. Pirated CDs are bought and sold in the Amazon market place as well, you know.

если бы я язык ещё знал...,

QUOTE (Peterpiano @ 06-06-2008, 17:01)

Вы имеете в виду отсканировать 249 страниц текста? этот буклетик действительно жирненький.... Я пианист с приличным стажем и не слышу ничего притензионного в записях, единственное, издали неудобно.... кстати, любителям Гульда сделаю подарок ввиде шести дисков совсем раннего Гульда и пять дисков с радиопередачами...вот бы выпустили полную антологию Горовца, было бы очень удобно, всё в одной коробке)

Нет, ну зачем же все 249.
Там где-то должны быть сугубо технические данные по записям...

QUOTE (Peterpiano @ 06-06-2008, 17:07)

QUOTE (nixon @ 06-06-2008, 17:05) QUOTE (night-jar @ 06-06-2008, 15:53) nixon,It is not worth doing, hasty conclusions without knowing what made the record ... Of course it is not wise to draw hasty conclusions, and precisely for that reason, I did do some extensive testing with other Sony/CBS releases of the same recordings to see if they differed. And they all did! I made similar tests with the Goldbergs and Beethoven's concertos and the Hindemith sonatas for brass. For instance, take the French Suites (Bach). Currently at Demonoid there is a seed of the 1970s CBS release. It's the same recording that Sony has released in the box we are discussing here. The CBS recording has a perfectly naturally looking top level of the spectrum at just above 20kHz, as one could expect from CDDA. This same recording Sony released later, after buying CBS Masterworks, in their white-cover Glenn Gould Edition. Only now they had remastered it with 20kBit technique further improving the technical quality. The one shared here has a neat haircut at 16kHz though and occasional bricks above. What could explain that difference? PS. Pirated CDs are bought and sold in the Amazon market place as well, you know. если бы я язык ещё знал...,

Он говорит, что некоторые из записей, размещенных Вами доступны на демоноиде в более ранних изданиях, он их проверил, и они имеют нормальный спектр.

QUOTE (mikhail549 @ 06-06-2008, 17:09)

QUOTE (Peterpiano @ 06-06-2008, 17:01) Вы имеете в виду отсканировать 249 страниц текста? этот буклетик действительно жирненький.... Я пианист с приличным стажем и не слышу ничего притензионного в записях, единственное, издали неудобно.... кстати, любителям Гульда сделаю подарок ввиде шести дисков совсем раннего Гульда и пять дисков с радиопередачами...вот бы выпустили полную антологию Горовца, было бы очень удобно, всё в одной коробке) Нет, ну зачем же все 249. Там где-то должны быть сугубо технические данные по записям...

что является техническими характеристиками? например первый диск, кроме болтавни там следущее, Тотал тайм, Рекордин калабмбиа студия 30, Нью Йорк, Сша, далее дата, Продюсеры, оригинальный релиз БМГ Мьюзик интертеймент, ........ после сводок всех дисков болтовня. что в этой информации вас интересует?