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диск содержит водяные метки - disc content water-marks :(
thanks to my friends :)
Speak to me of summer, long winters longer than time can remember..., January 26, 2006
Reviewer: Eddie Lancekick "A Regulator" (Pacific Northwest)
Deep. Melodic. Technically advanced, with theme's that could apply to a fantasy lore of faraway pasts or distant futures, though the band's name seems basic, there is nothing basic about their music. Nor is there album's title indicative of something that could break easily, but more something to be cherished throughout time.
The progressive rock of early Yes albums like "Fragile" tell's a story. Each song is it's own opus! "Starship trooper" has a beautiful guitar sound compliments of none other than Steve Howe, While Anderson's high melodic voice tell's a story with emotion and conviction instead of just "singing a song".
Aside from "starship trooper", other track's that helped launch this album into the mainstream are also fun, powerful, and meaningful as well as diverse. "Roundabout" is a classic little foot tapper.
This album also was the maiden voyage for future keyboard legend Rick Wakeman. You can check out Wakeman and the other amazing musicians of this group with tracks that don't have Anderson on vocals, like "Five Per Cent For Nothing", "The Fish" and "Mood For A Day". All are solo pieces by Bill Bruford, Chris Squire and Steve Howe, respectively.
If you like prog rock, or like music that makes you "feel", this album would be an excellent starting point. Yes's cover's are done by artist Roger Dean and always present a fanstic dreamscape architecture that add's to the vision of their music.
Progressive rock - made accessible, June 18, 2003
Reviewer: Samhot (Star Land)
_Fragile_ should always be considered a classic in the progressive rock genre, not just because the musicianship is virtuosic, tasteful and unique, but because the majority of it is catchy and accessible as well - something that's very rare in progressive rock as a whole.
Jon Anderson's distinctly artistic upper-register, Chris Squire's crunchy basslines, Steve Howe's floating guitar leads, Bill Bruford's tasteful drumming and Rick Wakeman's versatile keyboard work here come together to make a unique, tantalizing brand of music. The album starts off with "Roundabout," which exemplifies what I was saying in the opening paragraph. This track is ultra-catchy and addictive. The grooves on here (mostly exemplified by Bill's drums and Chris' bass) are hard to resist. Definitely a classic that has aged, and will seemingly continue to age nicely.
Next comes the first of five solo pieces: The first two of the five being my absolute favorites. "Cans And Brahms" is Rick Wakeman's impressive arrangement of bits found in the Allegro giocoso (third movement) of Brahms' 4th symphony. He did an excellent job on this (and for the record, Brahms is a favorite of mine amongst many classical composers, and I've heard and own his 4th symphony.) Next comes Jon Anderson's "We Have Heaven," which is a cerebral piece showcasing his vocal artistry. If you listen carefully, you'll find seven separate (but overdubbed) vocal parts by Jon on here. On the seventh one, he is heard saying "yes." The following track called "South Side of The Sky" seems to be a standout amongst Yes' many epic-length tracks. There seems to be a bluesy, down-home atmosphere to it, especially in Steve Howe's fluid guitar licks. While it's indeed spacy, it's not as otherworldly as most of their other epics, and seems to maintain a bit of earthiness that some of the other epics didn't.
"Five Per Cent For Nothing" is a short track showcasing Bruford's drumming ability, but, don't expect it to be a virtuoso display, as it seems more like a steady groove-oriented workout. "Long Distance Runaround" seems to showcase a slight country influence, mostly heard in Steve's guitar. Other than that, the track is a short little ditty. "The Fish" is Chris Squire's bassline workout, which plays out in something of a 7/4 rhythm, while several overdubbed bass samples are exemplified. Quite a nice track. Catchy and addictive as well. "Mood For A Day" is Steve's acoustic workout. Quite virtuosic, atmospheric and tasteful. The last track called "Heart of The Sunrise" starts out with what may have been Yes' most heavy and aggressive moment up until _Relayer_. The crushing attack borders on classic metal. That theme plays out quite a few times within the 3 1/2 minutes of the instrumental opening, which then gives way to a host of trippy atmospherics and Jon Anderson's faraway-sounding vocals.
There isn't much more that I can say. This is definitely a classic in Yes' catalog. In a weird sort of way, I could go as far to say that this is Yes' strongest album (of course, no one can claim to know what is and what isn't anything regarding appreciation of any kind.) There isn't another album quite like this one in their catalog. Highly recommended.
1755isla
@ 03-10-2006, 18:42
Hello, Olch:
This is one of my favourites discs ever.
But, like always (newbie), I will have serious troubles.
01. The contents in the CD One are de Folder VIDEO_TS Only? It's only a question, because I'm not all sure about.
02. If the rest of the post goes by Tracker, I don't how to access this tracker. All the words are in russian language and so, I think impossible to download the rest of this beautiful album.
03. If you say in the post ... "...contents watermarks", this thing can to lock the DVD-A player, isn't? Or do you make any secret swiss-knife for aliminate these watermarks?
Thanks in advance, Olch,
1755isla.
kokiku
@ 03-10-2006, 22:06
1755isla
At the present OlCh has no possibility to reply.
I can reply you, because I have and share it.
1. Absolutely, CD1-link is only VIDEO_TS folder.
2. The rest of files will share the same way as it.
(4 AOB-files and rest.rar) Size is abt 4.1 GB.
3. Neither I nor OlCh doesn't know how eliminate them.
Any DVD-Audio Players can play DVD-Audio discs with watermarks.
For example - Yamaha S657 and ... I don't remember. :)
Software DVD players
WinDVD plays each track only for 15-30 sec.
PowerDVD can play DVD-Audio discs with watermarks in the event that it has license for playing it.
1755isla
@ 03-10-2006, 22:33
Thanks kokiku for the effort and fast response:
By your answer I think wich meanwhile I record the files AOB like a DVD-Audio, the watermarks can't affect the normal reproduction in a DVD-A standalone. This is very important.
Indeed, I can think that you still posting in emule way, because in tracker mode, I can't access to the files.
Lots of thanks again, kokiku and good luck to Olch.
Sincerelly,
1755isla. :D
yury_usa
@ 03-10-2006, 22:49
| QUOTE |
| I record the files AOB like a DVD-Audio, the watermarks can't affect the normal reproduction in a DVD-A standalone. This is very important. |
You dont understand. The watermarks will affect the reproduction on standalone player! You will only be able to listen 30secs of each track! Only some minor portion of expensive DVD-A players is able to play water-marked dvd-audio.
The only 100% sure playback is Power-DVD on PC :)
kokiku
@ 04-10-2006, 07:42
1755isla
@ 04-10-2006, 19:48
Hello, Yury usa and kokiku:
Not. Yury, not. I understand even before writing the post. Long time a go I've passed this way. The asking for goes in this way. I know how affect the watermarks the play in a standalone player.
Sorry. Very sorry, sincerelly.
Because I ask for that? The answer is really simple:
- EQUIPMENT:
- MKINTOSH PREAMP C31 SERIES.
- MAIN AMPLIFIER RENAISSANCE TUBE VALVE (KT-90) DESIGNED BY DAVID MANLEY FOR VTL, 75 W/CH, STEREO.
- DENON UNIVERSAL PLAYER 1920.
- MAGNEPLANAR SMGA SPEAKER ELECTRODYNAMICS DESIGN.
- GOLDPLATTED AND PURE GOLD CABLES (BY VAN DEN HULL) IN ALL ENTIRE CHAIN.
I don't find any sense in the fact of reproduce any DVD-A from PC. Any PC can't to give the sound of this equipment. So, the ask was to ensure me if was good or not to download the files in DVD-A format. I never play nothing from PC. I have serious doubts about the quality mentioned in the specs of the common cards sounds for PC. And If I have to buy something, logically, I prefers buy the original DVD-A. Is more cheap than a chain bassed in a card sound for PC. ¡I have now a great chain of sound! Do you understand?
Again, lots of thanks both of you. The interchange between us is very constructive always. Also this time. At all, I go to download the files in DVD-A format. If possible wich a friend of me can to play from PC the result of the recording...
Thanks again, yury usa and kokiku. Also to Olch. I hope can to speak with him soon.
1755isla.
yury_usa
@ 04-10-2006, 20:06
1755isla
Well, of course PC cant give you sound comparable to your equipment..
Probably, the closest thing would be if you own an expensive audio-card which goes spdif to your amplifier with speakers..
But still, DVD-Audio sounds much better than DTS or CD even(!) on PC
While some us (myself) cannot afford expensive ($1000+) stereo/surround PC is the only way to go. At least for now..
Skywalker2
@ 04-10-2006, 23:36
1755isla
Me fail english, that's unpossible! :)
Am I right that you are listening to original DVD-A discs only using stereo amp for that purpose? :wink:
Anyway it is good for your friend to benefit from the downloaded rips. BTW denon 1920 should play some watermarked discs. At least it can play Metallica's Black Album - kind of reference disk to test player sensitivity to watermarks.
Mihey
@ 06-10-2006, 09:48
Список плееров которые точно кладут болт на водяные знаки:
List of some DVD Players can play DVD-Audio discs with watermarks:
BBK
721
725
985s (c доработанной прошивкой)
1010S
LG
DK 487X
DF 599
Pioneer
575
696
Samsung
P 355
P 355KD
Взято с ixbt
Забавно, но похоже все эти плееры сделаны на чипах MTK :)
yury_usa
@ 06-10-2006, 10:05
как жаль что у меня пионер dv-588A :drag:
Mihey
@ 06-10-2006, 10:08
| QUOTE (yury_usa @ 06-10-2006, 11:05) |
| как жаль что у меня пионер dv-588A :drag: |
А у меня Pioneer 656A.
И проверить его поведение с копией DVD-Audio диска просто нечем :(
Фанданго
@ 06-10-2006, 23:39
А у каких дешёвых двд плееров получше звук? У меня сейчас Panasonic S49, так его слушать невозможно, старый LG и то лучше звучит, но он невоспроизводит DVD Audio
| QUOTE (nikanuf @ 06-10-2006, 21:39) |
| У меня сейчас Panasonic S49, так его слушать невозможно |
странно :( не самый худой вариант из дешевых аппаратов :drag:
| QUOTE (kokiku @ 03-10-2006, 20:06) |
At the present OlCh has no possibility to reply.
|
Thanks to kokiku :punk:
At the present OlCh can to reply. :rolleyes:
posted all links :D
Фанданго
@ 07-10-2006, 13:54
Я сравниваю пнасоник с CD Pionner PD 904, так у 49 Панасоника задрано 8 килогерц и срезаны все низы. В этом смысле стапрый LG DV6720E, воспроизводит более ровно. Я не скажу что у него звук хороший, он довольно грязноватый, но слушать его приятнее.
| QUOTE (nikanuf @ 07-10-2006, 11:54) |
| Я сравниваю пнасоник с CD Pionner PD 904, так у 49 Панасоника задрано 8 килогерц и срезаны все низы |
хе, дак CD Pioneer PD 904 стоит порядка 2000 зелёных, а dvd панас s49 сикоку? :rolleyes:
| QUOTE (1755isla @ 04-10-2006, 17:48) |
| I don't find any sense in the fact of reproduce any DVD-A from PC |
:punk: :punk: :punk: :punk: :punk:
| QUOTE (nikanuf @ 06-10-2006, 21:39) |
| А у каких дешёвых двд плееров получше звук? |
я бы вновь бы взял Yamaha S657
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/av/pdfs/moreinfo/dvds657.pdf. 200-300 Euro.
kokiku а ты как? :rolleyes:
kokiku
@ 09-10-2006, 20:45
А то! :D
Я брал за 237 евриков.
yury_usa
@ 18-10-2006, 13:44
вот что пишут об этом двд-аудио у стива на форуме:
| QUOTE |
| The DVD-A is extremely disappointing. It's very brightly EQd with recessed mids and is highly compressed and limited. |
Ждем релиза от MFSL :drag:
а он тот писатель по русски понимает? :rolleyes:
а ты сам то прослушивал диск? :music:
и, кстати, кто мастерил то для МFSL? :drag:
yury_usa
@ 18-10-2006, 14:35
1. нет
2. да, и мне понравилось :)
3. не знаю
на 3. У них там щас один умелец - Shawn Britton. Может хороший диск сделать, если захочет! :-)
1755isla
@ 18-10-2006, 18:32
Hello, everybody:
I can't to reply many people because several answerings are in russian language, but I want to say something about the quoted "limitted" sound in the edition in DVD-A of "Fragile".
'Till now, I was owner of a original vinyl copy of 1973 release. Always sounding bad, because the equipment was always bad. Several years after, I was owner of a original CD copy. The sound was the same.
A couple of years a go, a friend of my makes me an invitation to their home, where I can to hear the original DTS 5.1 copy. And... the history was completly different. I can to say this day was the first well audition about this great work of the contemporary music.
The surprise was enormous: I never can to hear YES in this way. All my life with the unmistikable sound of yes in my brain and 35 years after, the sound appears wide and very well sounding...
When the downloading ending, I can probe if the edition in DVD-A is rather good than the DTS 5.1 format.
Thanks to all the people in there,
1755isla. :D:
yury_usa
@ 18-10-2006, 18:45
ужас, еле разбираю эту смесь албанского и ангийского :(
в двух словах, чуваку понравилось ДТС, ждет когда заслухает ДВД-А
1755isla
By the way, new vinyl has been released also, if you're interested
kokiku
@ 19-10-2006, 09:17
Нормально пишет. :)
Кто сказал, что по-английски?
Просто пишет на самом распространённом языке в мире -
на неправильном английском. :wink:
yury_usa
@ 19-10-2006, 09:43
| QUOTE (kokiku) |
Кто сказал, что по-английски?
Просто пишет на самом распространённом языке в мире -
на неправильном английском. :wink: |
жжешь :diablo:
1755isla
@ 21-10-2006, 13:41
Hello again to everybody:
The download of this DVD-A has finished.
The watermarks lock down once again the DVD-A part of the disc.
There's a great pitty. The resolution that I've heard in the few seconds 'til the lock are enormous superior than the honest but deficient DTS 5.1 from the DVD-Video part.
So, there's no way to solve the trouble. The sound in 24 bits (only the part I've heard) is impressive. Buy the original DVD-A maybe the last solution.
Only I like to make a suggest: The next time do you can to notice this circumstance (watermarks)? So, every ones can choice download or not. And don't waste a Double-Layer DVD also.
To Yuri:
Many years ago, I have a decent turntable a more tahn 1.000 vinyls. At last, I give all of them to one friend of my. I can't go back again. Thanks por the notice. I Know that. In musicdirect.com I can buy this kind of new vinyls...
After all, I can give you lots of thanks.
1755isla. :hi:
kokiku
@ 21-10-2006, 18:28
| QUOTE (1755isla @ 21-10-2006, 14:41) |
| Only I like to make a suggest: The next time do you can to notice this circumstance (watermarks)? So, every ones can choice download or not. And don't waste a Double-Layer DVD also. |
OlCh tried to write about it in the first post:
| QUOTE |
| диск содержит водяные метки - disc contents water-marks |
1755isla
@ 21-10-2006, 22:10
Hello kokiku, and once again, thanks:
Unfortunatelly, I can't to read the words in russian language.
I know the people not russian in this forum are few.
But we only ask for one only lonely word: w-a-t-e-r-m-a-r-k (Yes/Not).
Is so simple.
About the sound, even in honest DTS 5.1 (48/16), I can to hear more clarity, definition, soundstage, deep bass and many sounding effects. I can't hear the exccess of trebles noticed in another post in this thread. To me, even the VIDEO_TS is very impresive.
Thanks anyway to Olch for their great effort and fine selection of music.
Greetings to all,
1755isla. :D:
yury_usa
@ 21-10-2006, 22:30
| QUOTE |
| But we only ask for one only lonely word: w-a-t-e-r-m-a-r-k (Yes/Not). |
Unfortunately, Yes :(
| QUOTE (1755isla @ 21-10-2006, 20:10) |
Unfortunatelly, I can't to read the words in russian language.
I know the people not russian in this forum are few.
But we only ask for one only lonely word: w-a-t-e-r-m-a-r-k (Yes/Not).
Is so simple.
|
| QUOTE |
| диск содержит водяные метки - disc content water-marks |
disc content water-marks - it is in russian language? :p:
| QUOTE (1755isla @ 21-10-2006, 11:41) |
The download of this DVD-A has finished.
The watermarks lock down once again the DVD-A part of the disc.
|
you can rip stereo PPCM stream to stereo PCM and burn DVD-Video with stereo PCM 24/96 :punk:
kokiku
@ 22-10-2006, 10:05
| QUOTE (1755isla @ 21-10-2006, 23:10) |
| I can't to read the words in russian language. |
That's just the point it has been written in Russian and in English.
You are careless! :actu:
1755isla
@ 22-10-2006, 13:42
Sorry, Kokiku. You are the reason. I forget the warning.
And Thanks, Olch.
Greetings both of you.
1755isla. :hi:
1755isla
@ 25-10-2006, 15:39
Hello, another question, once again:
(Sorry for de loudest work of answering me).
- I've tryed to rip (WinDVD+addon) the DVD-Audio, but It seems to me that this method can't work. As you know, the DVD-Audio not contains one certain file wich makes possible the rip of the Stereo 24/96 stream.
- There's another way (digital dominion) possible to rip?
Note: Now, I've finished the authoring of the *.mlp files in a new DVD-Audio, and, once again, the DVD standalone was lock down.
Thanks anyway all of you, for support and patience.
Greetings,
1755isla. :hi:
kokiku
@ 25-10-2006, 17:14
Try for it
dvdaexplorer_a7.exeCopying Restricted
or
Copying Freely?
There are
*.mkb files on AUDIO_TS folder?
kokiku
плис скажи по простому в чем опять проблема? :w00t:
it is copy DVD-audio Stereo:
1755isla
@ 25-10-2006, 19:00
The *.mkb file is the file I've mentioned in the previous post. In the DVD-A folder don't exists this file.
The DVD-A Explorer, both versions, can't convert the *.mlp files into *.wav files.
I can't to read the Olch's russian expressions. Sorry.
Thanks, Kokiku for so clear explanation. But I've been around this option. Don't work, or something (is possible) I've forget.
I can copy freely, but I can't copy and convert to *.wav file. So, the trouble keeping lock dowm my DVD-A player.
Thanks anyway to both of you.
1755isla. :hi:
kokiku
@ 25-10-2006, 20:23
1755isla
Whay do you want to rip?
| QUOTE |
| I can copy freely, but I can't copy |
Can or cannot? :D:
| QUOTE |
| The DVD-A Explorer, both versions, can't convert the *.mlp files into *.wav files. |
Absolutely!
OlCh
Откуда я знаю что у него за проблемы.
Если я не знаю: что он пытается сделать!
1755isla
1. you can rip copy DVD-audio Fragile with ppcmripper_007 direct to .wav
1. if you can't rip with ppcmripper you can rip DVD-audio with dvdaexplorer_a7 to .mlp and convert with DigiOnAudio2 to .wav :punk:
Гордый
@ 25-10-2006, 21:22
kokiku и OlCh ну что вы издеваетесь над парнем (а может не парнем). Он хочет экстраировать вав поток из ДВД и потом перегнать его в млп и собрать опять ДВД. Думая избавиться от воды, т. к. не играет у него! Но ведь мы знаем что не поможет... :fu:
kokiku
@ 25-10-2006, 21:31
Гордый
Это мы издеваемся?
Он пишет так витиевато!
Я бы по-португальски написал лучше и проще:
имею,
хочу,
как?
А то какие-то "куд ю, вуд ю"!
во кто лучше всех понимает по англицки! дык и донеси ему, что не возможно! а самое лучее остаётся только стерео с двд-аудио скатать
| QUOTE (kokiku @ 25-10-2006, 19:31) |
| А то какие-то "куд ю, вуд ю"! |
но это же еще не ай вонт ю, ай ниид ю :lol:
Прожёг диск, Yamaha S1500 свободно и легко проиграла этот dvd-a. :D:
kokiku
@ 03-11-2006, 14:07
То есть DVD-Audio часть? Точно?
Вносить Yamaha S1500 в
список?
tsn спасибо :D: , а то качают-качают, но поделится хотя бы информацией и то жмут :w00t:
kokiku
@ 03-11-2006, 21:56
| QUOTE (OlCh @ 03-11-2006, 15:12) |
| поделится хотя бы информацией |
Да, хотелось бы для таких больших релизов получить хоть какие-то комменты.
А то уходят Гиги,как в пропасть. Даже эха нет!
Реализация до конца (до совершенства) ещё не отработана, поэтому хотелось бы узнать о результатах.
| QUOTE |
То есть DVD-Audio часть? Точно?
Вносить Yamaha S1500 в список? |
да, всё верно DVD-Audio часть играет без проблем.
| QUOTE (kokiku @ 03-11-2006, 19:56) |
А то уходят Гиги,как в пропасть. Даже эха нет!
Реализация до конца (до совершенства) ещё не отработана, поэтому хотелось бы узнать о результатах. |
а может и хорошо что молчат? было б что не в порядке... не молчали бы! :laugh:
genka
@ 14-11-2006, 06:16
народ, простите за простоту, но можно ссылочку, как записать DVD-A с помощью Nero. Уже очень давно DVD не делал, все забыл. Знаю, что какие-то файлы надо переимоновать, но как именно не помню. Также не совсем понятно, какие из файлов мне нужны. PAR2- это же вроде коререкция ошибок? Или я их с чем-то спутал?
kokiku
@ 14-11-2006, 08:02
Я пишу, пишу об
этом, и тут же об этом спрашивают! :laugh:
Пары писать не стоит - это только для проверки (и восстановления) целостности.
genka
@ 14-11-2006, 18:38
Спасибо огромное за инструкции! Так получилось, что я попробовал сдлеать диск в конце прошлой недели, тогда же поискал инструкции, но не нашел. Поэтому после неудачных попыток спросил уже без поиска :)
Все файлы этого диска не влазят на 4.5ГБ болванку. Что из VIDEO_TS можно выбросить?
если не ошибаюсь, то весь Долбанутый Дигитал :hi:
genka
@ 16-11-2006, 05:12
Все записалось с первого раза, спасибо за подсказки. К сожалению моя вертушка оказалась из плохих- на 15 секунде звук отрубается :(
yury_usa
@ 12-12-2007, 09:30
а я вот тока щас экспериментирую, монтировал video_ts, монтировал audio_ts, запихал сначала audio_ts потом video_ts в discjuggler, и пишу на болвань :drag:
added
прожглось. finalizing делало почти 10мин(!). Проверил, оба слоя играет с компа, вроде все ОК :punk: