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National Symphony Orchestra of Ukraine - Theodore Kuchar - Modest Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition &  Night on the Bare Mountain
Артист: National Symphony Orchestra of Ukraine - Theodore Kuchar
Альбом: Modest Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition & Night on the Bare Mountain, 2004
Жанр: Classic, Orchestral Music
Формат файла: DVD-Audio MLP 5.1 24bit/96kHz, scans, rar
Ссылка 1: CD 1
Ссылка 2: CD 2
Нахождение: eDonkey/Kademlia
заготовил диск Гордый - большое ему и другим друзьям спасибо :punk:


Modest Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition & Night on the Bare Mountain
National Symphony Orchestra of Ukraine - Theodore Kuchar
2004 SACD 5.1 to DVD-Audio 5.1 24bit/96kHz MLP


Product Description
Mussorgsky’s 1874 suite Pictures at an Exhibition has proved perhaps the most popular of all the composer’s works, both in its original version for piano and in the colorful orchestral version of Ravel presented here. This recording also presents two versions of the orchestral favorite Night on the Bare Mountain, an orchestral witches’ sabbath.


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Occasional superficiality; deep, spacious sound, August 6, 2005
Reviewer: Leslie Richford (Lower Saxony, Germany)
Modest Mussorgsky (1839 - 1881) was, in his youth, something of a dandy, but after accepting a government post he began drinking, and his early death was the result of an alcohol-induced fit of epilepsy. When not suffering from the effects of dissipation, he had a reputation as an excellent pianist, but as a composer he was a self-taught amateur who "imbibed" the nationalistic influence of Balakirev and developed a highly personalised style. His chief completed works appear to have been the opera "Boris Godunov" and the piano solo version of "Pictures of an Exhibition", a tribute to the recently deceased painter Viktor Hartmann. At his untimely death he left two unfinished operas, "Sorochintsy Fair" and "Khovanshchina", a number of smaller piano works and several versions (both for piano and for orchestra) of the "Night on Bare Mountain". It was his associate Rimsky-Korsakov who prepared much of this material for publication, and this explains how there come to be two versions of "Night on Bare Mountain" on this recording: the well-known version is Rimsky's smoothed-out re-working, while the version here labelled "original" is, in fact, one of Mussorgsky's somewhat crude attempts to orchestrate the work he had originally conceived for piano solo. The "Pictures at an Exhibition" are well worth hearing in their original form for piano solo, but have become most popular in the orchestrated version by Maurice Ravel (there are other orchestrations, but none has ever gained the popularity of Ravel's congenial edition).
Comparing this new Naxos recording by the National Symphony Orchestra of the Ukraine with the earlier Naxos version from Slovakia, directed by Indian conductor Daniel Nazareth, it is highly obvious that there have been great technical advances over the last fifteen years or so. The new Ukrainian version is recorded with much more depth and clarity, and the brass is allowed more natural volume. The Ukrainian tempi seem to be a little faster than those of their Slovakian colleagues, which can, on occasion, lead to the impression of superficiality.
I listened to this CD (not the SACD version) on three different systems and was impressed, once again, with the fact that Naxos recordings appear to react very sensitively to the equipment used to play them. By far the best impression was given when sitting at the "sweet spot", the apex of an isoseles triangle formed by the two stereo loudspeakers and the listener. (I had my speakers placed approximately 275 centimetres apart.) Here there was a real depth and spaciousness to the recording that made listening a great pleasure. The percussion sounded incredibly real, the instruments were clearly positioned, and every detail could be heard even at low volume.
On a normal headphone system (using a special headphone amplifier and good-quality headphones), I felt that the advantages of depth and spaciousness that could be heard via loudspeakers had receded and that the merging sound tended to emphasize the element of superficiality mentioned above. But a combination of a good CD player, a headphone amp and an old but excellent electrostatic headphone system was able to restore the clarity and depth I had noted in front of speakers.
In conclusion, I would say that this is a fine recording which occasionally suffers from the Ukrainians' tendency to gloss over some of the magnificent depths of this music. Heard on a fine stereo loudspeaker system, it can still give much pleasure.


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Fell in love all over again, June 19, 2004
Reviewer: John Smyth (Sacramento, CA United States)
Mussorgsky:
Pictures at an Exhibition, (orch. Ravel)
Night on Bald Mountain, original and Rimsky's
Golitsin's Exile from Khovanchina
Hopak from Sorochinsky Fair
Wow. I didn't think I could get excited while listening to Pics at an Ex
ever again, but the National Symphony Orchestra of the Ukraine turns in a
vivid performance. From the deliciously unhomogenized oboe, to the earthy
but warm strings, to the overly-earnest percussion section...it was a
delight all the way through. (Don't tell anyone, but usually I move ahead
to the Hut and Gate.
One of the many striking moments was how splashy Ravel's writing for bells,
gong and cymbals sounds in the last quiet run before the final statement of
the Great Gate theme; it was an unusually colorful, intense and exciting
build up. The heaving string
writing in Bydlo comes off particulary sad and burdensome, as the cart
lumbers along. Lighter moments for winds are vividly characterized.
Had enough of Night on Bald Mountain? You get two versions here: Rimsky's
correction, and Mussy's original. I like both, though my favorite
alternative
being the one with chorus, as it sounds the most errie of all.
(Abbado/Sony,
I believe.) Kuchar and the Ukraine make them sound freshly-minted.
If you think you had no romance left for this music, it got me goin' again.
Once again the SACD recording, (I opted for the 2-channel layer),
intoxicates the ear in a way that PCM never did for me, though I never would
have known when PCM was all there was. "Relaxed" is the best way I could
decribe the
sound, for what it's worth.

John Smyth
Sac, CA


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Shiza
OlCh , файл с первой ссылки после переименования в рар выдаёт - ошибка в архиве или неизвесный формат !


:help: :dunno:
maniac_of_noise
Фу Г... всплыло.Конверсионки по аналоговому входу-выходу надо вообще удалять из этого раздела! :death1:
yury_usa
maniac_of_noise
Все же лучше, чем стерео, если нравится многоканалку слушать :)
Djubei
Да ладно. Наше стерео не задушишь не убьешь :)
JaggerV
Давайте не страдать фигней!
Даже не будем спорить на тему. что из чего делается. Так или сяк. Аналог - PCM - DSD, PCM - DSD....
Сами лейлблы порою в этом вопросе сильно грешат...
Если рипали с SACD по аналогу нормальным конвертером и звучит ярко и неплохо, то нет проблем (другого выхода и нету).
Бывает так, что умудряются даже DSD в PCM конвертировать в домашних условиях и получается полначя лажа. А вот иногда SACD через аналог цифруют на нормальных аппаратах и звук получается весьма ярким. :wink:

OlCh
QUOTE (maniac_of_noise @ 15-06-2007, 15:14)
Фу Г... всплыло.Конверсионки по аналоговому входу-выходу надо вообще удалять из этого раздела! :death1:
мнение иметь, конечно, можно, а хамить - низззя. потому в звании лейтенанта отправляешься на тройку дней для начала в группу только читателей.
OlCh
QUOTE (Shiza @ 15-06-2007, 12:29)
OlCh , файл с первой ссылки после переименования в рар выдаёт - ошибка в архиве или неизвесный формат !


:help: :dunno:
формат файла - MLP - сжатый безпотерный многоканальный звук :)
Shiza
Понял , Спасибо :beer:
Фанданго
Я Хилари Ханн тоже с SACD, по аналогу перегонял, правдо стерео дорожку, так получилось гораздо лучше сд слоя, такое ощущение что сд и сасд делались совершенно разными людьми, с разных источников
maniac_of_noise
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а как это сказать по спански - да пошли вы? ну в смысле когда месячник вежливости
Как самому посылать так можно и не надо отождествлятся со своими релизами.
OlCh
maniac_of_noise
1. то ж две большие разницы :actu:
2. давай попробуем на релизах других :crazy:
OlCh
QUOTE (nikanuf @ 15-06-2007, 20:46)
Я Хилари Ханн тоже с SACD, по аналогу перегонял, правдо стерео дорожку, так получилось гораздо лучше сд слоя, такое ощущение что сд и сасд делались совершенно разными людьми, с разных источников
а ты сравнивал со своим конвертом до 16/44.1? :)
fchef
Can I ask a maybe silly question? For all these sacd to mlp releases what kind of hardware/equipment is used to capture the multichannel analog out from sacd?
Slava Z
+1!!!
Фанданго
QUOTE (OlCh @ 21-06-2007, 20:55)
QUOTE (nikanuf @ 15-06-2007, 20:46)
Я Хилари Ханн тоже с SACD, по аналогу перегонял, правдо стерео дорожку, так получилось гораздо лучше сд слоя, такое ощущение что сд и сасд делались совершенно разными людьми, с разных источников
а ты сравнивал со своим конвертом до 16/44.1? :)
Да я переконвертировал сам с добавлением псевдослучайных шумов и звучание гораздо лучше сд слоя.
Мне теперь стыдно что я этот диск выложил тут, Я прослушал сасд слой и решил что и сиди слой звучит хорошо, но как я был разочарован, когда прослушал его после...
OlCh
QUOTE (nikanuf @ 27-06-2007, 05:01)
Да я переконвертировал сам с добавлением псевдослучайных шумов
о, эт мне и интересно :wink: а чем такое можно делать? :)
Фанданго
В адобе аудишн. Там в меню Edit - Convert sample type
weyel2000
Can you give, please, some further information in English how to burn it!?

thanks
weyel2000
yury_usa
weyel2000
I am assuming you want DVD-Audio as your output. You would need to use discWelder for this (search eMule for this one). It actually decodes MLP files on-the-fly, so you could just drag'n'drop them one by one, and create simple menu with navigation.
Hope this helps :hi:
alk859
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I It actually decodes MLP files on-the-fly, so you could just drag'n'drop them one by one
I think, that DW never decodes MLP files - it only insert it to DVD-A project as is.
weyel2000
Thanks for your answers, but I couldn´t solve the problem:
DW can´t decode MLP-Files.
By the way: what should happen with the cue-file? And what about the par2-file?
Perhaps OLCh has an answer how to burn the DVD-A with all this files!?

weyel2000
Гордый
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DW can´t decode MLP-Files.
MLP files will decoded with DVD-Audio Player. :diablo:
insert MLP to DVD-A project as is. From CUE file paste time code, insert covers and burn! :shuffle:
OlCh
QUOTE (weyel2000 @ 08-07-2007, 09:30)
DW can´t decode MLP-Files.
By the way: what should happen with the cue-file? And what about the par2-file?
Perhaps OLCh has an answer how to burn the DVD-A with all this files!?

weyel2000
DW decode MLP-Files to AOB-Files :p:
If you want DVD-Audio burn -
QUOTE
insert MLP to DVD-A project as is. From CUE file paste time code, insert covers and burn!
:D:

par2-file (Quick-Par) is for test CRC of files :rolleyes:


weyel2000
Sorry, but my DW-version can´t decode mlp-files. It recognizes the file, but can´t do anything with it.
In which way should I paste the time code from the CUE-file?

In my opinion it would be necessary to give a short but detailed agenda how to handle these file for burning a DVD-A.
Or I am the only who didn´t realise it?

thank in advance
weyel2000
OlCh
Post Link: Как собрать DVD-Audio из файлов mlp ?
Posted: 01-11-2006, 12:18 (post 96, #671876)
weyel2000
@OlCh

thanks for the link!!
But: I get the message in DW, that the mlp-file has an "unsupported" audio format!?
Had someone burned the DVD-A succesfully and can tell about it?

weyel2000
OlCh
weyel2000
do you have discWelder_Chrome_II?
yury_usa
OlCh
осло-линк на прогу ему кинь :rolleyes:
OlCh
Post Link: Как собрать DVD-Audio из файлов mlp ? тама их аж два? :actu:
yury_usa
OlCh
Так видно он не понимает че делать надо(?)

weyel2000
Use the post link above, there are ed2k links in that post. Download and install Discwelder_Chrome_II_2.06 and you should be ok
dragut
Спасибо большое.

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...this SACD contains three separate versiosn of the same programme: 5.1 multichannel surround sound mastered in DSD * 2 channel stereo mastered in DSD * ...

Как жал что многоуважаемый OlCh не сделал трансфер и стерео версии. Вед когда она есть, ее микс сильно отличается от даунмикса 5.1 (сделанного программно или плеером) в лучшую сторону.