hello guys,
first of all the community here is really great and i want to thank all of you for sharing so much cool dvd-audio discs!
sorry, that i'm using English, but my Russian is very poor.
and on the topic: i found the sources of open-source CPRM/CPPM decrypting library and sample decrypting tool, that is using that library.
i've compiled the sources and it seems to work perfectly with CPPM protected DVD-Audio discs.
you can find the sources and the compiled binaries in the archive here:
link: http://rapidshare.com/files/44120246/adv.rar.html
archive password: n3tL4b%E2k@rU
i think it is very interesting to compare the new tool against the old way, that uses DVDARipper + WinDVD6, because the new tool actually decrypts the AOBs and not dump the decrypted AOBs from memory, so the output should be perfect copy of the AOB before the encryption.
also the new tool can decrypt CPRM/CPPM protected video and audio, i.e. both CPRM/CPPM protected AOBs and VOBs, for example i think that the video on "Dar Williams - The Beauty of the Rain" DVD-Audio disc is using CPRM/CPPM and that is why it is still scrambled on the rip, that can be found here.
so let's sharing our thoughts and experience with dvdcpxm here ...
i also have a small request, please guys, is it possible someone of you, that have the power, to make me member of your torrent tracker torrent.e2k.ru, because there are dvd-audio rips, that i want to download, but can't access them, so please, send me a private message with more details, how to access the tracker, thank you!
hope the info, that i'm sharing is really valuable for you.
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xkodi Thanx
Olch
Перенеси ПОЖАЛУЙСТА, тему в "DVD-Audio"Что такое? Как качать? Как прожигать? Как слушать?
:)
Olch
Перенеси ПОЖАЛУЙСТА, тему в "DVD-Audio"Что такое? Как качать? Как прожигать? Как слушать?
:)
Гм... Что то прорвало прям. Прога за прогой. Может кто то слил ключи?
VitekKiller
сча разберёмся что это за тулец такой :rolleyes:
xkodi
tell me please how work this tool? From "RUN"? what I must write? :)
and more please about your dvd-audio-rips :beer:
сча разберёмся что это за тулец такой :rolleyes:
xkodi
tell me please how work this tool? From "RUN"? what I must write? :)
and more please about your dvd-audio-rips :beer:
| QUOTE (OlCh) |
| tell me please how work this tool? From "RUN"? what I must write? :) |
on the "Command Prompt" you should type:
| QUOTE |
| dvdcpxm.exe D:\AUDIO_TS\ATS_01_1.AOB C:\dvda_rip |
where D: is you DVD drive and C:\dvda_rip is the folder, where you store the decrypted files on your hard disk
the output of the tool is similar to:
the output of the tool is similar to:
| QUOTE |
| Simple DVD-Audio AOB/VOB Decrypter Processing media key block... CPPM protected media is loaded in drive D: Decrypting media content... 432573 blocks decryped, 4 blocks stored Total: 432573 blocks decrypted, 4 blocks stored Done! |
so the tools works on per file bases, you need to run every encrypted AOB/VOB file through the tool.
| QUOTE (OlCh) |
| and more please about your dvd-audio-rips :beer: |
what exactly do you want to know, the titles of the DVD-Audio discs, that i have or on which DVD-Audio disc i have tried the tool?
| QUOTE (xkodi @ 21-07-2007, 09:10) | ||
on the "Command Prompt" you should type:
where D: is you DVD drive and C:\dvda_rip is the folder, when you store the decrypted files on your hard disk |
thanks :D:
| QUOTE (xkodi @ 21-07-2007, 09:10) |
| what exactly do you want to know, the titles of the DVD-Audio discs, that i have or on which DVD-Audio disc i have tried the tool? |
all :laugh:
I hope what you receive "a private message with more details, how to access the tracker" :drag:
I hope what you receive "a private message with more details, how to access the tracker" :drag:
| QUOTE (OlCh @ 21-07-2007, 11:23) | ||
all :laugh: I hope what you receive "a private message with more details, how to access the tracker" :drag: |
just to name a few:
Metallica - Black Album (tried the dvdcpxm on that)
Diana Krall - When I Look In Your Eyes
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Olivia Newton-John - One Woman's Live Journey
Sara K. - No Cover
Megadeth - Peace Sells...But Who's Buying (tried the dvdcpxm on that)
Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958)
The Doobie Brothers - The Captain And Me (2001)
Foo Fighters - One by One (tried the dvdcpxm on that)
Beck - Guero
Bjork - Vespertine (but i can't find the disc at the moment)
Iron Maiden - Dance of Death (tried the dvdcpxm on that)
i will share them with you guys, if you like and want them, but i really would be very thankful, if someone give me access to the torrent.e2k.ru tracker
Metallica - Black Album (tried the dvdcpxm on that)
Diana Krall - When I Look In Your Eyes
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Olivia Newton-John - One Woman's Live Journey
Sara K. - No Cover
Megadeth - Peace Sells...But Who's Buying (tried the dvdcpxm on that)
Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else (1958)
The Doobie Brothers - The Captain And Me (2001)
Foo Fighters - One by One (tried the dvdcpxm on that)
Beck - Guero
Bjork - Vespertine (but i can't find the disc at the moment)
Iron Maiden - Dance of Death (tried the dvdcpxm on that)
i will share them with you guys, if you like and want them, but i really would be very thankful, if someone give me access to the torrent.e2k.ru tracker
xkodi,i want Metallica - Black Album non protected :)
| QUOTE (sdandrey @ 21-07-2007, 12:24) |
| xkodi,i want Metallica - Black Album non protected :) |
no problem, can you give me access to the torrent.e2k.ru tracker? otherwise, i need to share through e2k network. we really move away from the topic about dvdcpxm with our last several posts.
| QUOTE (xkodi @ 21-07-2007, 12:31) |
| ... we really move away from the topic ... |
That's how it usually works here. This is NetLab. :rolleyes:
Gateировать релизы из торента в мул и обратно без самих релизеров по крайней мере не этично.Выкладывайте свои релизы!
I released "Sara K. - No Cover" in E-Mule ;)
Sara K. "No Covers"
Sara K. "No Covers"
| QUOTE (xkodi @ 21-07-2007, 12:31) |
| can you give me access to the torrent.e2k.ru tracker? |
check your email ;)
I think there is another better way to decrypt dvd-audio
What's New
July 20th, 2007
DVDFab Platinum 3.1.5.0 Updated!
* New: Added support for CPPM protection, which is used on DVD-Audio disc.
* New: Copy DVD-Audio disc in "Full Disc" and "Clone" modes. To burn DVD-Audio backup disc, please use "Clone" mode for now.
* New: Copy Non-DVD files, like "JACKET_P" folder.
* New: Added options "Copy DVD-Video", "Copy DVD-Audio" and "Copy Non-DVD Files" in "Full Disc" mode.
What's New
July 20th, 2007
DVDFab Platinum 3.1.5.0 Updated!
* New: Added support for CPPM protection, which is used on DVD-Audio disc.
* New: Copy DVD-Audio disc in "Full Disc" and "Clone" modes. To burn DVD-Audio backup disc, please use "Clone" mode for now.
* New: Copy Non-DVD files, like "JACKET_P" folder.
* New: Added options "Copy DVD-Video", "Copy DVD-Audio" and "Copy Non-DVD Files" in "Full Disc" mode.
| QUOTE (Klaipeda @ 21-07-2007, 17:45) | ||
check your email ;) |
thank you!
| QUOTE (fchef @ 21-07-2007, 18:00) |
| I think there is another better way to decrypt dvd-audio What's New July 20th, 2007 DVDFab Platinum 3.1.5.0 Updated! * New: Added support for CPPM protection, which is used on DVD-Audio disc. * New: Copy DVD-Audio disc in "Full Disc" and "Clone" modes. To burn DVD-Audio backup disc, please use "Clone" mode for now. * New: Copy Non-DVD files, like "JACKET_P" folder. * New: Added options "Copy DVD-Video", "Copy DVD-Audio" and "Copy Non-DVD Files" in "Full Disc" mode. |
Topic Link: DVD-Audio
from post 252 :rolleyes:
from post 252 :rolleyes:
| QUOTE (fchef @ 21-07-2007, 20:00) |
| I think there is another better way to decrypt dvd-audio What's New July 20th, 2007 DVDFab Platinum 3.1.5.0 Updated! * New: Added support for CPPM protection, which is used on DVD-Audio disc. * New: Copy DVD-Audio disc in "Full Disc" and "Clone" modes. To burn DVD-Audio backup disc, please use "Clone" mode for now. * New: Copy Non-DVD files, like "JACKET_P" folder. * New: Added options "Copy DVD-Video", "Copy DVD-Audio" and "Copy Non-DVD Files" in "Full Disc" mode. |
i think, that the authors of the DVDFab got the same open-source library and use it in their program, plus the dvdcpxm can decrypt CPRM too.
So has anyone tried dvdfab with dvd-audio? Is it really working?
Of course it's working! See the correct brunch.
Sorry if molesting:
I'm in this point.: Just finish of ripping all of *.AOB files.
If I trie to play any of them, they works.
But, what's the next step?:
- 01. Extract the sound with the olders programs?
- 02. Copy all the structure (AUDIO_TS/VIDEO_TS) and record?
Please, I need some help about.
Thanks.
I'm in this point.: Just finish of ripping all of *.AOB files.
If I trie to play any of them, they works.
But, what's the next step?:
- 01. Extract the sound with the olders programs?
- 02. Copy all the structure (AUDIO_TS/VIDEO_TS) and record?
Please, I need some help about.
Thanks.
Are you talking about DVDFab or dvdcpx? IMO the first is more convenient. One touch process.The second looks like DVDARipper. Am I mistaken?
Hello, Slava Z:
When you talks about DVDFab, I answer you. DVDFab copy the DVDA if their weight (in GB) is recordable in a single DVD-/+R. I think also hapens when the original is a dual layer. BUT, WHEN I GO TO MY DVDA PLAYER, THE SCREEN DISPLAYS "DVD PLAYER LOCK". I think DVDFab don't lead with the protections.
My method is decrypting any *.AOB files and finally, rebuilding the structure of both AUDIO_TS/VIDEO_TS in the Hard Disc. Mount all with ImageBurn, BUT THE COPY DON'T WORK.
My questions:
What files in AUDIO_TS I must to decrypt after the *.AOB?
¿Why the copy don't work?
If I take the *.AOB decrypted files, the next is to extract the sound with DVDA Explorer or similar?
Again, if you please, some help.
Thanks anyway.
When you talks about DVDFab, I answer you. DVDFab copy the DVDA if their weight (in GB) is recordable in a single DVD-/+R. I think also hapens when the original is a dual layer. BUT, WHEN I GO TO MY DVDA PLAYER, THE SCREEN DISPLAYS "DVD PLAYER LOCK". I think DVDFab don't lead with the protections.
My method is decrypting any *.AOB files and finally, rebuilding the structure of both AUDIO_TS/VIDEO_TS in the Hard Disc. Mount all with ImageBurn, BUT THE COPY DON'T WORK.
My questions:
What files in AUDIO_TS I must to decrypt after the *.AOB?
¿Why the copy don't work?
If I take the *.AOB decrypted files, the next is to extract the sound with DVDA Explorer or similar?
Again, if you please, some help.
Thanks anyway.
| QUOTE (1755isla @ 30-07-2007, 13:49) |
| I think DVDFab don't lead with the protections. |
I don't think so.It removes all protections except the watermarks.I tried it myself by copying "Foreigner 4".Everything worked perfectly on my Pioneer 696.(By the way what player do you have?) Also tried DL The Beatles Love but without burning(made image,watched it and info about the point of layer break).
Hello, Slava Z:
The trouble are the watermarks. My actual player is the DENON 1920 Universal Player. Few days a go, I'm de-zoned the player and updated the firmware, but I don't know if is possible to erase the watermarks. Because that, the player displays "The Player is Lock".
So, there's no solution: Only the non-protected DVDA stills good for the record with DVDFab.
However, many thanks for your explanations and courage to find the initial problem.
You must know that all AOB/VOB in the AUDIO_TS are decrypted, but is not enough.'Til now! I'm still learning...
Greetings, Slava.
The trouble are the watermarks. My actual player is the DENON 1920 Universal Player. Few days a go, I'm de-zoned the player and updated the firmware, but I don't know if is possible to erase the watermarks. Because that, the player displays "The Player is Lock".
So, there's no solution: Only the non-protected DVDA stills good for the record with DVDFab.
However, many thanks for your explanations and courage to find the initial problem.
You must know that all AOB/VOB in the AUDIO_TS are decrypted, but is not enough.'Til now! I'm still learning...
Greetings, Slava.
Also there's one thing I can't understand:
If DVDFab removes all protections except the watermarks, why the Player keeps "LOCKED BY COPYRIGHT"?
There's any way to leave in their position the watermarks, by the way, don't select one or more squares in the DVDFab settings?
Thanks another time.
If DVDFab removes all protections except the watermarks, why the Player keeps "LOCKED BY COPYRIGHT"?
There's any way to leave in their position the watermarks, by the way, don't select one or more squares in the DVDFab settings?
Thanks another time.
Nobody knows how to step over those f..... watermarks! Some people here even use the obligatory player for watermarked DVD-A. You can also buy the second one for this purpose. :) You can find the list of such players here Topic Link: Какие DVD-Audio плейеры играют рипнутые диски с ватермарками? .I recommend Pio 696. It also supports SACD as well.
Hello again, Slava:
The player is the same on this page?
Link:
http://www.divx.com/products/hw/detail.php?p=343
The minimal difference is the name: Pioneer DVD-696AV-S, and I think this device is an amplifier also, is not?
Looks very well, and I'm thinking, like you says, buy this like the second ones to my audio/video system.
When you can, tell me if this model is your model.
Many Thanks,
1755isla.
The player is the same on this page?
Link:
http://www.divx.com/products/hw/detail.php?p=343
The minimal difference is the name: Pioneer DVD-696AV-S, and I think this device is an amplifier also, is not?
Looks very well, and I'm thinking, like you says, buy this like the second ones to my audio/video system.
When you can, tell me if this model is your model.
Many Thanks,
1755isla.
This is exact model.You can read about it here http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=62:8713 .A lot of links,firmwares and so on.Enjoy! PS Sorry,my native language is Russian and the topic is also in russian,but most of the links are in english.
Hello, Slava:
Thanks many for your effort and links.
I've found a nice A/V-shop in my country (Spain) and I will have soon a unit of Pioneer DVD-696AV-S.
This model is discontinued, but for the price, is impresive.
My system is not home-theater:
- Amplifier: VTL (valvle KT-90 Yugoslavian) Model Renaissance 75wc
- Pre-Amplifier MKintosh C-31 (very nice sounding).
- Loudspeakers Magneplanar smga (smaller) Two Panells only.
- Denon 1920 DVD. Now, of course, Pioneer DVD-696AV-S, also.
- Cables in to entire system by Van Den Hull (pure gold/and goldplatted).
It seems to me that the sound of Stereo is more reallistic than the Surround. But is only my opinion.
In a few of days, I will communicate the good news.
Thanks again, and I hope talk with you more frequently.
You know, I'm spanish, but I think you and I, both, we understand enough to exchanging opinions in this forum.
Greetings,
1755isla.
Thanks many for your effort and links.
I've found a nice A/V-shop in my country (Spain) and I will have soon a unit of Pioneer DVD-696AV-S.
This model is discontinued, but for the price, is impresive.
My system is not home-theater:
- Amplifier: VTL (valvle KT-90 Yugoslavian) Model Renaissance 75wc
- Pre-Amplifier MKintosh C-31 (very nice sounding).
- Loudspeakers Magneplanar smga (smaller) Two Panells only.
- Denon 1920 DVD. Now, of course, Pioneer DVD-696AV-S, also.
- Cables in to entire system by Van Den Hull (pure gold/and goldplatted).
It seems to me that the sound of Stereo is more reallistic than the Surround. But is only my opinion.
In a few of days, I will communicate the good news.
Thanks again, and I hope talk with you more frequently.
You know, I'm spanish, but I think you and I, both, we understand enough to exchanging opinions in this forum.
Greetings,
1755isla.
И ИМО это должно быть в "DVD-Audio"Что такое? Как качать? Как прожигать? Как слушать?
| QUOTE (xkodi @ 21-07-2007, 09:10) | ||
on the "Command Prompt" you should type:
where D: is you DVD drive and C:\dvda_rip is the folder, where you store the decrypted files on your hard disk |
у кого нибудь это работает? :(
и еще вопрос вдогонку:
ктонить пробовал рипать новым DVDFab двд-аудио?
ктонить пробовал рипать новым DVDFab двд-аудио?
| QUOTE (yury_usa @ 01-08-2007, 23:28) |
| и еще вопрос вдогонку: ктонить пробовал рипать новым DVDFab двд-аудио? |
Да например Diana Krall "When I Look In Your Eyes"-очень удобно,сохраняет структуру расположения файлов в образе двд-аудио диска ,сбрасывает биты CCI, Видимо будет стандарт де-факто для релизов двд-аудио :punk:
а как насчет снятия ограничения по цифре? :dunno:
| QUOTE (OlCh @ 01-08-2007, 23:47) |
| а как насчет снятия ограничения по цифре? :dunno: |
Ограничения по цифре снимает(сбрасывает биты CCI) :)
посмотрел три ДВДФАБовских рипа - во всех 2ch/48kHz/16bit :(
| QUOTE (OlCh @ 02-08-2007, 00:12) |
| посмотрел три ДВДФАБовских рипа - во всех 2ch/48kHz/16bit :( |
А ты клонировал или в папку или Full-disk(копия в виде файлов)? Оригиналы были защищеные? :wink:
клонировал, защищенныe и даже с водой :laugh:
Не знаю , надо набрать статистику ,что как и почему ....
Для меня, если диск с ватермарками, важно чтобы ограничения по цифровому выходу(SPDIF) были сняты.
Для меня, если диск с ватермарками, важно чтобы ограничения по цифровому выходу(SPDIF) были сняты.
| QUOTE (OlCh @ 01-08-2007, 23:19) | ||||
у кого нибудь это работает? :( |
У меня-нет!
| QUOTE (Raven_ @ 01-08-2007, 22:40) |
| Не знаю , надо набрать статистику ,что как и почему .... Для меня, если диск с ватермарками, важно чтобы ограничения по цифровому выходу(SPDIF) были сняты. |
я тут пасьянсы маленько разложил и получается (если верить DVDAExplorer_a7) что ДВДФаб просто напросто клонирует двд-аудио диски - и копирзащита остаётся и ограничения на выход по цифре :pig:
вот такие картиники
оригинал
двдфаб копия
двдаудиориппером копия с двдфабовской копиии :laugh:
оригинал
двдфаб копия
двдаудиориппером копия с двдфабовской копиии :laugh:
OlCh
А что это там рипается ?
А что это там рипается ?
это уже давно было :p:
Опять что-то классное скрывает от народа ! :cool:
ты хто - Фома или Маньяк? грю же было уже в раздаче: ELP - Brain Salad Surgery :inv1:
УУуу Проверил на нескольких копиях - ограничения по цифровому выходу DVD-FAB НЕ снимает :(
А вот с RENЁE FLEMMING защита цифрового выхода DVD-Fab`ом снята - :fear2:
OlCh
Скажи, пожалуйста какую версию DVD-Fab`а ты используешь(RENЁE FLEMMING рипано 3.1.5.0 )
OlCh
Скажи, пожалуйста какую версию DVD-Fab`а ты используешь(RENЁE FLEMMING рипано 3.1.5.0 )
Если я правильно понимаю снятие ограничения по цифровому выходу позволяет слушать многоканал по оптике и коаксиалу? Иначе непонятно зачем эти ограничения снимать.Судя по картинкам двдфаб копия=оригиналу.А не это ли является задачей программы?
| QUOTE (Slava Z @ 02-08-2007, 19:33) |
| Если я правильно понимаю снятие ограничения по цифровому выходу позволяет слушать многоканал по оптике и коаксиалу? Иначе непонятно зачем эти ограничения снимать.Судя по картинкам двдфаб копия=оригиналу.А не это ли является задачей программы? |
Нет слушать по опте двд-аудио можно только PCM 2.0.Даже если выбрали многоканал в меню - по опте в зависимости от прошивки или установок звук будет микшироватся в стерео.
Как правило ограничения по цифровому выходу на большинстве Двд_Аудио это downsampling до 48кHz16bit :angry: , иногда выход вообще запрещен. :(
Все зависит от комбинаций битов CCI на конкретном двд-аудио диске.Разумеется , чтобы послушать без downsampling`а биты CCI должны быть сброшены ("Copy Freely").Это позволяет сделать dvdaripper_099F.
CCI bits (copy permission status)
"00b": copying is permitted without restriction -- "Copy Freely"
"10b": copy one generation is permitted -- "Copy One Generation" (for
equipment compliant with the 4C Specification for DVD-Audio this
implies "Copy One Generation" at equivalent to CD quality (48кHz16bit) На самом деле не CD quality,а еще хуже , из-за тупого обнуления 8 младших бит.Когда я это услышал подумал аппаратура поломалась. :fear2: :laugh:
"11b": no more copies are permitted -- "No More Copies"
"01b": reserved for future use
P.S.Читайте форум - все это уже было! :)
Как правило ограничения по цифровому выходу на большинстве Двд_Аудио это downsampling до 48кHz16bit :angry: , иногда выход вообще запрещен. :(
Все зависит от комбинаций битов CCI на конкретном двд-аудио диске.Разумеется , чтобы послушать без downsampling`а биты CCI должны быть сброшены ("Copy Freely").Это позволяет сделать dvdaripper_099F.
CCI bits (copy permission status)
"00b": copying is permitted without restriction -- "Copy Freely"
"10b": copy one generation is permitted -- "Copy One Generation" (for
equipment compliant with the 4C Specification for DVD-Audio this
implies "Copy One Generation" at equivalent to CD quality (48кHz16bit) На самом деле не CD quality,а еще хуже , из-за тупого обнуления 8 младших бит.Когда я это услышал подумал аппаратура поломалась. :fear2: :laugh:
"11b": no more copies are permitted -- "No More Copies"
"01b": reserved for future use
P.S.Читайте форум - все это уже было! :)
| QUOTE (Raven_ @ 02-08-2007, 17:25) |
| OlCh Скажи, пожалуйста какую версию DVD-Fab`а ты используешь(RENЁE FLEMMING рипано 3.1.5.0 ) |
ту же 3.1.5.0 :rolleyes:
а насчет выходов по цифре - мне одинаково по барабану, испол#зую тол#ко аналоговые, ну а вы разбирайтесь и решайте :rolleyes:
а насчет выходов по цифре - мне одинаково по барабану, испол#зую тол#ко аналоговые, ну а вы разбирайтесь и решайте :rolleyes:
И я использую аналог.И многоканал.Не очень понимаю DVD-A 2.0.
Здесь что-то не так, братцы!
Попробовал рипануть Chicago DVDAripper-м 099F и DVDFab-ом 3.1.5.0 .
Так вот DVDAripper "снимает" защиту цифрового выхода, а DVDFab нет.
Но тут у меня возникает вопрос. А надо ли снимать DVDFab-у вообще защиту цифрового выхода, если у самого оригинала есть эта защита?
Я слушаю в основном многоканал через аналоговые выходы. Он и так не выводится по SPDIF. В принципе готов и стерео слушать по аналогу, до тех пор пока не приобрету аппарат с i.Link-ом, который позволит выводить как стерео так и многоканал через i.Link.
Так, что лучше, быстро и не геморойно рипать DVDFab-ом не задевая структуру диска, нежели DVDAripper-ом с его некими "неточностями" в структуре диска.
Да и плюс ко всему, мне так и не удалось по цифре передать с плеера на ресивер DVD-Audio stereo 24/96. :(
to Raven
Пожалуйста напомни прау зарелизенных тобою дисков где снята защита по цифре и который у тебя реально играет через SPDIF без downsampling-а до 48кHz16bit, а я попробую еще раз вывести стерео 24/96 по цифре :wink:
Попробовал рипануть Chicago DVDAripper-м 099F и DVDFab-ом 3.1.5.0 .
Так вот DVDAripper "снимает" защиту цифрового выхода, а DVDFab нет.
Но тут у меня возникает вопрос. А надо ли снимать DVDFab-у вообще защиту цифрового выхода, если у самого оригинала есть эта защита?
Я слушаю в основном многоканал через аналоговые выходы. Он и так не выводится по SPDIF. В принципе готов и стерео слушать по аналогу, до тех пор пока не приобрету аппарат с i.Link-ом, который позволит выводить как стерео так и многоканал через i.Link.
Так, что лучше, быстро и не геморойно рипать DVDFab-ом не задевая структуру диска, нежели DVDAripper-ом с его некими "неточностями" в структуре диска.
Да и плюс ко всему, мне так и не удалось по цифре передать с плеера на ресивер DVD-Audio stereo 24/96. :(
to Raven
Пожалуйста напомни прау зарелизенных тобою дисков где снята защита по цифре и который у тебя реально играет через SPDIF без downsampling-а до 48кHz16bit, а я попробую еще раз вывести стерео 24/96 по цифре :wink:
| QUOTE (Raven_ @ 02-08-2007, 17:25) |
| А вот с RENЁE FLEMMING защита цифрового выхода DVD-Fab`ом снята - :fear2: |
а на оригинале была? :crazy:
| QUOTE (JaggerV @ 02-08-2007, 18:39) |
| Так, что лучше, быстро и не геморойно рипать DVDFab-ом не задевая структуру диска, нежели DVDAripper-ом с его некими "неточностями" в структуре диска. |
Согласен :D: А вот прожигать им же 2-х слойки как пробовал?
С тебя уже 10 евро за 2 запоротые болванки на Чикаго2 :crazy: .
в конце концов записал ИмгБурнером, выставив в нём точку перехода из ИНИ и ..... звук сумашедший! :punk: :freu: :beer:
С тебя уже 10 евро за 2 запоротые болванки на Чикаго2 :crazy: .
в конце концов записал ИмгБурнером, выставив в нём точку перехода из ИНИ и ..... звук сумашедший! :punk: :freu: :beer:
| QUOTE (JaggerV @ 02-08-2007, 20:39) |
| Так, что лучше, быстро и не геморойно рипать DVDFab-ом не задевая структуру диска, нежели DVDAripper-ом с его некими "неточностями" в структуре диска. |
+1!
OlCh
| QUOTE |
| а на оригинале была? :crazy: |
Оригинал
После DVD-Fab`a
| QUOTE (Slava Z @ 02-08-2007, 18:51) | ||
+1! |
а, между дрочим, этот риппер ни имеет никакого отношения к структуре диска :drag:
| QUOTE (Raven_ @ 02-08-2007, 19:00) | ||
Оригинал После DVD-Fab`a |
значит фазы луны разные были :music2:
| QUOTE (Slava Z @ 02-08-2007, 20:34) |
| И я использую аналог.И многоканал.Не очень понимаю DVD-A 2.0. |
При прослушивании релизов с ватермарками я использую пионер470(575),так как он проигрывает эти диски без запинки .К сожалению его аналоговые выходы оставляют желать лучшего , поэтому диски с ватермарками слушаю через опту.
Если Вы слушаете через аналог, то конечно все проблемы снимаются, только я не знаю хороших плейеров не реагирующих на ватермарки, может подскажите ?
Если Вы слушаете через аналог, то конечно все проблемы снимаются, только я не знаю хороших плейеров не реагирующих на ватермарки, может подскажите ?
в общем подумал я скучновато уже стало рипать двд-аудио - ан нет, есть ишо промблемки :fool: :D:
| QUOTE (Raven_ @ 02-08-2007, 21:12) |
| Если Вы слушаете через аналог, то конечно все проблемы снимаются, только я не знаю хороших плейеров не реагирующих на ватермарки, может подскажите ? |
Не-а,не подскажу.Все серьезные аппараты реагируют на воду.
У меня Pio 696.Это по сути то-же,что и Ваш 470/575,
У меня Pio 696.Это по сути то-же,что и Ваш 470/575,
| QUOTE (JaggerV @ 02-08-2007, 18:39) |
| Так, что лучше, быстро и не геморойно рипать DVDFab-ом не задевая структуру диска, нежели DVDAripper-ом с его некими "неточностями" в структуре диска. |
но если двд-аудио не защищен, то лучше ДВД Декриптором :wink:
| QUOTE (OlCh @ 03-08-2007, 10:34) | ||
но если двд-аудио не защищен, то лучше ДВД Декриптором :wink: |
Вы ретроград, батенька ! :)
Вот закачался файл George_Benson_Dvdaudio_Audio_Ts_Scans.By.Jaggerv.Server.Alliance.Iso. Не хочет играться ни POWERDVD7, ни записанный образ (записывал разными выжигателями) на стацинарной ямахе, только POWERDVD отдельные AOBы кушает. Проблема только с этим диском. Тему про него уже крыли. Может кто-то расскажет как побороть упрямца. Музыка хорошая, выбрасывать жаль...
дык вроде бы в самой теме уже всё утрясли насчет Бенсона :)
Sorry, but dou you want to explain all your words in english language?
It's only a favor.
Thanks in advance,
1755isla.
It's only a favor.
Thanks in advance,
1755isla.
| QUOTE (OlCh @ 04-08-2007, 12:42) |
| дык вроде бы в самой теме уже всё утрясли насчет Бенсона :) |
Если не трудно - суть бы того как утрясли узнать. Спасибо.
sergik_1 Чето я пропустил любимого Бенсона. или ты про этот говоришь Topic Link: George Benson - Breezin' (DVD-Audio) ?
Уже понял. ужо качаю через торент.надо релизеру спасибо сказать...
Уже понял. ужо качаю через торент.надо релизеру спасибо сказать...
To 1755isla:I'll try to explain the main idea,if you don't mind.We were discussing the problem of removing limits which take place in some DVD-A in the process of listening to them through digital output.We agreed that DVDARipper remove these limits.DVDFab-not.(look at the first portion of screenshots)But this happens not on every DVD-A.(watch the second one)It depends on smth.we don't know.Do you have any ideas?
To all:Ну напряг у товарища с Russian.А вдруг какую дельную мысль напишет.А может создать отдельное место для обсуждения на English?
To all:Ну напряг у товарища с Russian.А вдруг какую дельную мысль напишет.А может создать отдельное место для обсуждения на English?
| QUOTE (hud @ 04-08-2007, 15:11) |
| sergik_1 Чето я пропустил любимого Бенсона. или ты про этот говоришь Topic Link: George Benson - Breezin' (DVD-Audio) ? Уже понял. ужо качаю через торент.надо релизеру спасибо сказать... |
Спасибо за ссылку, почему-то она не видна в листах. Я не закачал DVD-Video, а это, видимо, тот случай, когда без него совсем не идёт... Поставил качаться, может зальется целиком, вроде, осел говорит "все части доступны"
Hello, Slava:
Thanks to explain your conversations.
My idea is simple:
There's can happens:
- DVDFab don't have totally implemented the code , and that can to produce some bugs in the process to decrypting, almost in the next versions 'til the program keeps more stable.
- The DVDaripper extracts the protections A/V except -you said- the watermarks. One of this protections is intended to break the digital output. If you make a rippoing with him and the break not occurs, the answer is easy: the program extract -really- the digital output protections.
- Only the comments sended to the programmers of DVDFab can make changes in the way of ripping in order to extract also and in everytime the digital output protections.
- To me, for the moment, there's no problem, I'm only uses the analog outputs, and none -DVDaripper/DVDFab- produces any breaks never.
Note: The Pioneer is in the way to my house...
I hope this little opinions can to serve your conversations.
Again, many thanks to introduce me in your minds...
1755isla.
Thanks to explain your conversations.
My idea is simple:
There's can happens:
- DVDFab don't have totally implemented the code , and that can to produce some bugs in the process to decrypting, almost in the next versions 'til the program keeps more stable.
- The DVDaripper extracts the protections A/V except -you said- the watermarks. One of this protections is intended to break the digital output. If you make a rippoing with him and the break not occurs, the answer is easy: the program extract -really- the digital output protections.
- Only the comments sended to the programmers of DVDFab can make changes in the way of ripping in order to extract also and in everytime the digital output protections.
- To me, for the moment, there's no problem, I'm only uses the analog outputs, and none -DVDaripper/DVDFab- produces any breaks never.
Note: The Pioneer is in the way to my house...
I hope this little opinions can to serve your conversations.
Again, many thanks to introduce me in your minds...
1755isla.
| QUOTE (xkodi @ 21-07-2007, 09:09) |
| hello guys, i also have a small request, please guys, is it possible someone of you, that have the power, to make me member of your torrent tracker torrent.e2k.ru, because there are dvd-audio rips, that i want to download, but can't access them, so please, send me a private message with more details, how to access the tracker, thank you! |
Hi, can I too get access to the torrent tracker simply by asking?
Thanks!
Thanks!
| QUOTE (cuddlesly @ 08-08-2007, 10:05) | ||
Hi, can I too get access to the torrent tracker simply by asking? Thanks! |
не нравится мне эта тенденция :drag:
а интересно этот cuddlesly чо нибудь ра3дал на трекере? :fear2:
| QUOTE (OlCh @ 08-08-2007, 13:59) |
| а интересно этот cuddlesly чо нибудь ра3дал на трекере? :fear2: |
как же он раздал, если он сам туда просится, и это 1й пост :fear2:
эх, перепутал - я имел в виду xkodi :drag:
| QUOTE (OlCh @ 08-08-2007, 23:22) |
| эх, перепутал - я имел в виду xkodi :drag: |
The reason I have waited 1 year before asking for access to the torrents is that the conditions were too onerous (and incomprehensible).
Then I noticed xkodi was given access simply by asking here!
Then I noticed xkodi was given access simply by asking here!
Hello, everybody:
I don't have chance with the new DVD Universal Player of Pioneer (the 696 is not on the market in Spain), but their substitute is a good player. If you please, you can see this little tests about:
Pioneer DV-600 AV-S (PLAY ALL FORMATS, EXCEPT DVD-AUDIO WATERMARKED, SNIF :( ).
- OVERALL SOUND REPRODUCTION: Less analytic than Denon 1920, but more musical.
- OVERALL VIDEO REPRODUCTION: VERY GOOD, little bit good than DENON 1920.
MEDIA FORMATS PROVED:
CD Audio: JOE BECK, The Journey (GRP, original CD).
- Sound: Subttle, powefull, decent soundstage, smooth, detail.
DVD-Audio: THE ALAN PARSONS PROJECT, I Robot (Classic, 192/24 bits layer).
- Sound: Less soundstage than Denon 1920, musical, rounded picks, smooth.
SACD: DEREK AND THE DOMINOES, Layla and... (Universal, original SACD, Stereo layer).
- Sweet, musical, powerfull, less or equal soundstage than Denon 1920, less detail.
DVD-Vídeo: THE EAGLES, The Last Farewell Tour (First Disc, LPCM 48/16, First Track).
- Image: Superb (Progresive Scan Mode), detailed, stable and warm. VERY GOOD.
- Sound: Compact, powerfull, less little bit bass than Denon 1920. VERY GOOD.
(Note: Ripped, but no compressed vídeo).
DVD-Vídeo: SHERYL CROW, The Globe Sessions Live (Original DVD, DTS Mode).
- Image: Perfect, smooth, detaliled and very stabled.
- Sound: VERY GOOD.
Tomorrow I'll go to play: Divx, and PENDRIVE USB 2.0 Connection to play *.mp3/*.mp4/wma/aac.
(USB 2.0 connection is in the frontal pannel).
Pros: Nearly play all formats except ripped DVD-Audio discs, an of course, BR/HD-DVD. Menus and others OSD functions are simple, easy and friendly structured.
Cons: Traction system (rubber transmission belt). But for the price, ...
A good allrounder, like says Slava, for the second unit. Unfortunatelly, he can't play the ripped DVD-Audio watermarked, because Pioneer has retired the 696 model from the market.
I hoped you consider this little tests good enough to evaluated the unit.
Total priced (Spain): 189€ (16% VAT + Transport included). :D:
I don't have chance with the new DVD Universal Player of Pioneer (the 696 is not on the market in Spain), but their substitute is a good player. If you please, you can see this little tests about:
Pioneer DV-600 AV-S (PLAY ALL FORMATS, EXCEPT DVD-AUDIO WATERMARKED, SNIF :( ).
- OVERALL SOUND REPRODUCTION: Less analytic than Denon 1920, but more musical.
- OVERALL VIDEO REPRODUCTION: VERY GOOD, little bit good than DENON 1920.
MEDIA FORMATS PROVED:
CD Audio: JOE BECK, The Journey (GRP, original CD).
- Sound: Subttle, powefull, decent soundstage, smooth, detail.
DVD-Audio: THE ALAN PARSONS PROJECT, I Robot (Classic, 192/24 bits layer).
- Sound: Less soundstage than Denon 1920, musical, rounded picks, smooth.
SACD: DEREK AND THE DOMINOES, Layla and... (Universal, original SACD, Stereo layer).
- Sweet, musical, powerfull, less or equal soundstage than Denon 1920, less detail.
DVD-Vídeo: THE EAGLES, The Last Farewell Tour (First Disc, LPCM 48/16, First Track).
- Image: Superb (Progresive Scan Mode), detailed, stable and warm. VERY GOOD.
- Sound: Compact, powerfull, less little bit bass than Denon 1920. VERY GOOD.
(Note: Ripped, but no compressed vídeo).
DVD-Vídeo: SHERYL CROW, The Globe Sessions Live (Original DVD, DTS Mode).
- Image: Perfect, smooth, detaliled and very stabled.
- Sound: VERY GOOD.
Tomorrow I'll go to play: Divx, and PENDRIVE USB 2.0 Connection to play *.mp3/*.mp4/wma/aac.
(USB 2.0 connection is in the frontal pannel).
Pros: Nearly play all formats except ripped DVD-Audio discs, an of course, BR/HD-DVD. Menus and others OSD functions are simple, easy and friendly structured.
Cons: Traction system (rubber transmission belt). But for the price, ...
A good allrounder, like says Slava, for the second unit. Unfortunatelly, he can't play the ripped DVD-Audio watermarked, because Pioneer has retired the 696 model from the market.
I hoped you consider this little tests good enough to evaluated the unit.
Total priced (Spain): 189€ (16% VAT + Transport included). :D:
| QUOTE (1755isla @ 23-08-2007, 13:15) |
| Unfortunatelly, he can't play the ripped DVD-Audio watermarked |
Who told you this? It plays ripped DVD-A,and watermarked as well! 600=696+ USB & upscale up to 1080p.I've already bought it instead of 696.
Hello, Slava:
I tell you my situation.
- I've ripped and record the original watermarked DVD-A "The Corrs-In Blue". The software, DVDFab, last edition.
- When I go to play in the pioneer 600, this message is displayed: "Depend of the disc, this operation can't to perform"
Do you say to me where I was wrong? (In the process of the ripping and record, I want to say, of course).
Media: Datawriter (DVD-R/8x).
DVDFab: Ripper/Recorder.
Recorder Device: TSST Corp. HD-S162-L (4x).
Any more options? Changing the booktype to a CDROM type and record with ImageBurn?
Thanks in advance for your effort,
1755isla.
I tell you my situation.
- I've ripped and record the original watermarked DVD-A "The Corrs-In Blue". The software, DVDFab, last edition.
- When I go to play in the pioneer 600, this message is displayed: "Depend of the disc, this operation can't to perform"
Do you say to me where I was wrong? (In the process of the ripping and record, I want to say, of course).
Media: Datawriter (DVD-R/8x).
DVDFab: Ripper/Recorder.
Recorder Device: TSST Corp. HD-S162-L (4x).
Any more options? Changing the booktype to a CDROM type and record with ImageBurn?
Thanks in advance for your effort,
1755isla.
Sorry, 1755isla.No comments.I have DeepPurple Machine Head with which I perform tests on players.Some of them can play it,some can't.My new 600-can.In pioneerdvx.net forum people from Japan reported that they can't make their players multiregional.Perhaps there are some differencies inside european and asian models?I really don't know.
That's I think about. There must be some changes between the asian models and european models.
If you can, please, type the link with the pioneer forum, to view if its possible to change to a multi-region this 600's unit.
Thanks for all,
1755isla.
Note: I'm not sure if you according with my subjective tests of the 600's unit. You can say something about if you please? :hi:
If you can, please, type the link with the pioneer forum, to view if its possible to change to a multi-region this 600's unit.
Thanks for all,
1755isla.
Note: I'm not sure if you according with my subjective tests of the 600's unit. You can say something about if you please? :hi:
Sorry, Slava:
When I try to play the ripped DVD-Audio "The Corrs-In Blue", the sequence of appearing images in the TV, are:
- The Main Menu appears,
- Automatic change to the Menu Of Surround/Stereo Selection, and
- If we select any mode, then appears The Tracks Menu with the trackinglist selectable.
- It's in this moment when I click on any track, when the warning message appears. Then I can't play the disc.
Thanks, many,
1755isla.
When I try to play the ripped DVD-Audio "The Corrs-In Blue", the sequence of appearing images in the TV, are:
- The Main Menu appears,
- Automatic change to the Menu Of Surround/Stereo Selection, and
- If we select any mode, then appears The Tracks Menu with the trackinglist selectable.
- It's in this moment when I click on any track, when the warning message appears. Then I can't play the disc.
Thanks, many,
1755isla.
1.Seems to me you ripped/burned your disc wrongly.Smth.like this i watched on The Doors.Not every dvd-a behaves the same way.
2.Take the link to 600 multiregion. http://www.esnips.com/doc...v-600---RC-mode
Sorry,link is dead already.
2.Take the link to 600 multiregion. http://www.esnips.com/doc...v-600---RC-mode
Sorry,link is dead already.
Hello, Slava:
Well, if the method to rip/burn is wrong, do you want to tell me in detail how can I do to make this process correctly?
The link about multiregion don't works. There's some error in the words? (Document not found).
Thanks at all. I hope good news from you.
1755isla.
Note: There's some manual to rip/record correctly the DVD-A? :hi:
Well, if the method to rip/burn is wrong, do you want to tell me in detail how can I do to make this process correctly?
The link about multiregion don't works. There's some error in the words? (Document not found).
Thanks at all. I hope good news from you.
1755isla.
Note: There's some manual to rip/record correctly the DVD-A? :hi:
¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The method, little changed, works!!!!!!!!
01. Use ImagBurn+DVDFabDecrypter.
02. DVDFabDecrypter Full Mode to your HD in both AUDIO_TS/VIDEO_TS folders.
03. ImagBurn in Build Mode ISO9660+UDF (I've added the same labels than the originals in both ISO9660 and UDF spaces) and record with a good media at 4x or less.
04. PIONEER 600 plays the DVD-AUDIO COMPLETELY.
I don't know if this method are the same than your, but it works, Slava.
Thanks again,
1755isla. :hi: :D:
The method, little changed, works!!!!!!!!
01. Use ImagBurn+DVDFabDecrypter.
02. DVDFabDecrypter Full Mode to your HD in both AUDIO_TS/VIDEO_TS folders.
03. ImagBurn in Build Mode ISO9660+UDF (I've added the same labels than the originals in both ISO9660 and UDF spaces) and record with a good media at 4x or less.
04. PIONEER 600 plays the DVD-AUDIO COMPLETELY.
I don't know if this method are the same than your, but it works, Slava.
Thanks again,
1755isla. :hi: :D:
Congratulations!I'm glad you can listen to ripped dvd-a now. Here is another multiregion link. http://www.rapidshare.ru/381360 I was going to e-mail you a file but the letter returned.Perhaps the address is wrong.
Thank you, man:
I'm going to download your de-zone file from Rapidshare.
Many thanks for all.
Greetings,
1755isla.
I'm going to download your de-zone file from Rapidshare.
Many thanks for all.
Greetings,
1755isla.
Интересная ситуация сегодня получилась. :D:
Вышел DVDFab Platinum 3.1.7.0 Final.
Скачал, поставил и решил рипануть кое что. Выбрал принципиально из Warner.
На оригинальном диске стоит защита воспроизведения по цифре и рессивер показывает 48кГц. После того как сделал рип в DVDFab Platinum 3.1.7.0 Final, показывает 96кГц. :)
DVDFab Platinum 3.1.7.0 Final снимает ограничения по цифре :D:
И, что интересно. Пробовал по цифре проиграть несколько релизов Raven-а, который как я понимаю рипался через DVDARipper и ресивер показывает 48кГц.
Только Weather Report показал 96кГц.
Какие будут мнения?
Вышел DVDFab Platinum 3.1.7.0 Final.
Скачал, поставил и решил рипануть кое что. Выбрал принципиально из Warner.
На оригинальном диске стоит защита воспроизведения по цифре и рессивер показывает 48кГц. После того как сделал рип в DVDFab Platinum 3.1.7.0 Final, показывает 96кГц. :)
DVDFab Platinum 3.1.7.0 Final снимает ограничения по цифре :D:
И, что интересно. Пробовал по цифре проиграть несколько релизов Raven-а, который как я понимаю рипался через DVDARipper и ресивер показывает 48кГц.
Только Weather Report показал 96кГц.
Какие будут мнения?
What do you mean, Jagger? DVDFab is able to remove the protection over the digital output? Or only about the number showed by your receiver?
Sorry, I can't be sure about your words. I've making the translation to english -via- google russian-english beta translator.
I hope you can to answer my doubt.
Thanks at all,
1755isla.
Sorry, I can't be sure about your words. I've making the translation to english -via- google russian-english beta translator.
I hope you can to answer my doubt.
Thanks at all,
1755isla.
@ JaggerV
please, provide screenshots of DVDAExplorer outputs for working song (the one that shows 96kHz) and for non-working song (the one that shows 48kHz), because you are wrong about DVDFab, read below.
@ Raven, OlCh and all interested in Copy Control Information (CCI) and the differences between DVDFab, dvdcpxm.exe, and DVDARipper + WinDVD
according to official '4C Entity 12 Bit Watermark Specification', you can get it here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/51594849/4cspec.pdf.html
the Watermark protection has two part:
1) watermarks in the actual audio data, that still can't be removed and
2) mandatory (it should be there no matter if there are real watermarks in the actual audio data or not) "12 Bit Watermark" header in the metadata (the AOBs headers), that contains the following bits:
please, provide screenshots of DVDAExplorer outputs for working song (the one that shows 96kHz) and for non-working song (the one that shows 48kHz), because you are wrong about DVDFab, read below.
@ Raven, OlCh and all interested in Copy Control Information (CCI) and the differences between DVDFab, dvdcpxm.exe, and DVDARipper + WinDVD
according to official '4C Entity 12 Bit Watermark Specification', you can get it here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/51594849/4cspec.pdf.html
the Watermark protection has two part:
1) watermarks in the actual audio data, that still can't be removed and
2) mandatory (it should be there no matter if there are real watermarks in the actual audio data or not) "12 Bit Watermark" header in the metadata (the AOBs headers), that contains the following bits:
| QUOTE |
| C3, C2: CCI bits (copy permission status) "00b": copying is permitted without restriction -- "Copy Freely" "10b": copy one generation is permitted -- "Copy One Generation" (for equipment compliant with the 4C Specification for DVD-Audio this implies "Copy One Generation" at equivalent to CD quality, or less, is permitted) "11b": no more copies are permitted -- "No More Copies" "01b": reserved for future use and shall not be embedded C1: SDMI Trigger Bit "0b": trigger is not present "1b": trigger is present C0: Reserved bit C0 is reserved for future use C0 shall be set to "0b" until further notice |
please note, that header can be set to no restrictions and thus effectively removed.
in DVDARipper Readme.txt file you can read:
| QUOTE |
| HISTORY: 1. 04/19/04 : Ver. 0.99 : Deep alpha is released. 2. 05/11/04 : Ver. 0.99a : Hook up method redesigned. 3. 12/07/04 : Ver. 0.99b : WinDVD 6 support added. 4. 12/27/04 : Ver. 0.99c : WinDVD launch method redesigned. 5. 04/18/05 : Ver. 0.99d : CCI data reset added. 6. 05/04/05 : Ver. 0.99e : Skip CCI reset bug fixed. 7. 06/16/05 : Ver. 0.99f : WinDVD 7 support added. |
in other words, version 0.99f has "CCI data reset" and version 0.99c hasn't "CCI data reset"
so i have done some tests with "DVDARipper 0.99c", "DVDARipper 0.99f", "DVDFab Platinum 3.1.5.0", "DVDFab Platinum 3.1.7.0" and dvdcpxm.exe.
the disc i used for the tests is the original "Diana Krall - Love Scene" DVD-Audio disc, that i own.
also, both versions of "DVDFab Platinum" has the same behavior, so below i will refer to "DVDFab Platinum" only, meaning both versions.
the steps and the results:
step 1) decrypt with dvdcpxm.exe, ATS_01_4.AOB from the disc, it's 188 MB (197 947 392 bytes) in size, so it's small and good for comparison and investigation with hex editor. after decryption finished, dvdcpxm.exe reported:
| QUOTE |
| Total: 96647 blocks decrypted, 7 blocks stored |
so ATS_01_4.AOB has 7 unencrypted blocks on the original encrypted disc, it's very important to mention that, as you will see later.
step 2) decrypt the disc with "DVDFab Platinum"
step 3) compare byte by byte the ATS_01_4.AOB file produced with dvdcpxm.exe and the one produced with "DVDFab Platinum"
guess what? they have exactly 7 different bytes, exactly the same number as the number of unencrypted blocks in ATS_01_4.AOB
step 4) further investigation with hex editor of those 7 different bytes shows, that in every AOB header of those 7 unencrypted blocks, there is 1 different byte and more precisely:
conclusion 1: if the block is unencrypted on the original encrypted disc, "DVDFab Platinum" copy the block header from the original disc, exactly as it is, without processing the CCI bits, while dvdcpxm.exe process the CCI bits and set them to 0, which is very logical CCI status for unencrypted block - obviously it can be copied.
step 5) decrypt the disc with "DVDARipper 0.99c"
as DVDARipper Readme.txt says, that version doesn't process the CCI bits at all and further investigation with hex editor shows that:
conclusion 2: no matter if the block is encrypted or unencrypted "DVDARipper 0.99c" doesn't process the CCI bits and copy the block header exactly as it is on the original disc, which is obviously very wrong, because doesn't reflect the actual CCI status
step 5) decrypt the disc with "DVDARipper 0.99f"
as DVDARipper Readme.txt says, that version do processing of the CCI bits, comparison of the ATS_01_4.AOB produced with dvdcpxm.exe and the one produced with "DVDARipper 0.99f" and further investigation with hex editor shows that:
conclusion 3: "DVDARipper 0.99f" do CCI bits processing for all blocks, and resets the CCI bits.
summarization of conclusion 1 + 2 + 3:
dvdcpxm.exe:
- unencrypted block: process the CCI bits and set them to 0
- encrypted block: process the CCI bits and set them to 0
"DVDFab Platinum":
- unencrypted block: doesn't process the CCI bits, copy the block header exactly as it is from the original disc
- encrypted block: process the CCI bits and set them to 0
"DVDARipper 0.99c":
- unencrypted block: doesn't process the CCI bits, copy the block header exactly as it is from the original disc
- encrypted block: doesn't process the CCI bits, copy the block header exactly as it is from the original disc
"DVDARipper 0.99f":
- unencrypted block: process the CCI bits and resets the CCI bits
- encrypted block: process the CCI bits and resets the CCI bits
CONCLUSION:
the rips produced with "DVDFab Platinum", "DVDARipper 0.99c", "DVDARipper 0.99f" and dvdcpxm.exe differs only in how the CCI bits are handled, all other bits are the same.
obviously "DVDFab Platinum" and "DVDARipper 0.99c" do the things wrong.
from point of view to reconstruct the AOBs, before their encryption, dvdcpxm.exe is right and produces the correct files, however for our needs, probably we want:
- unencrypted block: process the CCI bits and reset the CCI bits
- encrypted block: process the CCI bits and reset the CCI bits
and that is exactly what "DVDARipper 0.99f" do.
however, further investigation and test are needed to see what CCI bits are the best for standalone DVD-Audio players, until then both "DVDARipper 0.99f" and dvdcpxm.exe are correct in their own way, dvdcpxm.exe is open-source so we can easily modify it, when we know what is best for standalone DVD-Audio players.
PS1
the above explains the output from DVDAExplorer, here some screenshots with short comments:
1) original encrypted disc:
the CCI status info of the original encrypted media
2) "DVDARipper 0.99c":
looks exactly the same as the status of the original encrypted media above, because no matter if the block is encrypted or unencrypted "DVDARipper 0.99c" copy the header from the original encrypted media, which is wrong, because after decryption more logical status is something like "Copy Freely"
3) "DVDFab Platinum":
random effect, because some of the blocks on the original media are encrypted and some are not, so for some tracks the CCI status is correct (the same as with dvdcpxm.exe rips) and for other tracks it's not correct, it's the same as on the encrypted original media, which is wrong as mentioned above
for all tracks the CCI status isn't correct, it's the same as on the original encrypted media, because every track has unencrypted blocks and in such case "DVDFab Platinum" copy the header from the original encrypted disc, which is wrong as mentioned above
4) "DVDARipper 0.99f":
process and resets the CCI status for all blocks, no matter if they are encrypted or not, reset them 4
5) dvdcpxm.exe:
process the CCI bits and set them to 0 for all blocks, no matter if they are encrypted or not
PS2 here are screenshots for headers of an unencrypted block:
1) original encrypted disc:
2) "DVDARipper 0.99c":
3) "DVDFab Platinum":
4) "DVDARipper 0.99f":
5) dvdcpxm.exe:
PS3 please, don't blame me if i made a mistake or concluded something wrong, but rather do the tests for yourself, you know the idea now, and share your results and thoughts, so we can clarify the things even further
PS4 because now we know which are the CCI bits in the header and dvdcpxm is open-source and thus easily modified, so maybe we need to do tests which CCI bits are best for the standalone DVD-Audio players.
1) original encrypted disc:
2) "DVDARipper 0.99c":
3) "DVDFab Platinum":
4) "DVDARipper 0.99f":
5) dvdcpxm.exe:
PS3 please, don't blame me if i made a mistake or concluded something wrong, but rather do the tests for yourself, you know the idea now, and share your results and thoughts, so we can clarify the things even further
PS4 because now we know which are the CCI bits in the header and dvdcpxm is open-source and thus easily modified, so maybe we need to do tests which CCI bits are best for the standalone DVD-Audio players.
ok, i'm ready with the posts above, if you want, you can read them now ...
at least now it's clear what is the differences between DVDFab, dvdcpxm.exe, and DVDARipper + WinDVD, they handle the CCI bits differently.
the big question now is:
which is the best CCI bits combination, the 0x04 like the used by "DVDARipper 0.99f" or 0x00 like the used by dvdcpxm.exe?
guess only tests with standalone DVD-Audio players can answer that question.
at least now it's clear what is the differences between DVDFab, dvdcpxm.exe, and DVDARipper + WinDVD, they handle the CCI bits differently.
the big question now is:
which is the best CCI bits combination, the 0x04 like the used by "DVDARipper 0.99f" or 0x00 like the used by dvdcpxm.exe?
guess only tests with standalone DVD-Audio players can answer that question.
А у кого-нибудь этот dvdcpxm.exe работает? У меня Windows пишет "Не удается выполнить указанную программу.".
| QUOTE (bazil_snowman @ 27-08-2007, 19:19) |
| А у кого-нибудь этот dvdcpxm.exe работает? У меня Windows пишет "Не удается выполнить указанную программу.". |
on my computer: WinXP Pro + SP2, works great without any problems
by the way judging from the fact, that JaggerV has 96kHz with DVDFab rip and that DVDFab do the same thing as dvdcpxm.exe for the encrypted blocks, seems that standalone players love 0x00 for CCI bits rather than 0x04 used by "DVDARipper 0.99f", but further confirmation and tests are needed ...
| QUOTE (xkodi @ 27-08-2007, 19:27) |
| on my computer: WinXP Pro + SP2, works great without any problems |
У меня тоже WinXP Pro SP2, правда Rus. Может быть для работы программы требуются какие-то dll которые могут быть на Вашем компьютере за счет наличия у Вас каких либо средств разработки программного обеспечения?
| QUOTE (bazil_snowman @ 27-08-2007, 20:48) | ||
У меня тоже WinXP Pro SP2, правда Rus. Может быть для работы программы требуются какие-то dll которые могут быть на Вашем компьютере за счет наличия у Вас каких либо средств разработки программного обеспечения? |
my installation of WinXP is from yesterday and it's completely clean, i've installed only WinXP + drivers for my hardware, so the problem is not a missing dll, but the archive contains the source code of dvdcpxm, so you can try to compile the program on your computer, then probably it will work.
i used "Minnetonka discWelder CHROME" to make AOBs with all possible combinations of CCI options, here is the table with the result, the digits on the left are the binary representation of the byte contains the CCI bits and on the right is the meaning, taken from the "Minnetonka discWelder CHROME" menus:
00 0000 00 --> Copying Permitted without Restrictions
11 0000 00 --> No Copying Permitted
10 0000 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 0010 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 2, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 0100 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 4, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 0110 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 6, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 1000 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 8, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 1010 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 10, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 1110 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: Not Restricted, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 0000 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 0010 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 2, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 0100 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 4, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 0110 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 6, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 1000 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 8, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 1010 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 10, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 1110 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: Not Restricted, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 0001 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 0011 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 2, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 0101 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 4, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 0111 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 6, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 1001 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 8, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 1011 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 10, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 1111 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: Not Restricted, Max Quality: Not Restricted
these values are self-explanatory: first two major bits define the copying status, next bits define the "Number of Copies" and the "Max Quality"
so the value of 0x04 (00 0001 00) used by "DVDARipper 0.99f" is not valid , actually it is a combination between the first half of ("Copying Permitted without Restrictions"):
00 0000 00 --> Copying Permitted without Restrictions
and the last half of ("Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: Not Restricted"):
10 0001 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: Not Restricted
and thus should be read as "Copying Permitted without Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: Not Restricted", which doesn't make much sense and so probably when first too major bits are zero ("Copying Permitted without Restrictions") then all other minor bits are ignored and in such case in practice both 0x00 and 0x04 should be treated the same, but still 0x04 is not in the table above and so should be considered invalid.
conclusion: in theory seems only dvdcpxm.exe provides really correct decryption of DVD-Audio discs, however probably in practice both dvdcpxm.exe and "DVDARipper 0.99f" have the same behavior, because probably when first too major bits of CCI bits are zero, all other bits are ignored and so in practice 0x04 is treated the same as 0x00, but to remove any doubt, test with standalone DVD-Audio player is required.
00 0000 00 --> Copying Permitted without Restrictions
11 0000 00 --> No Copying Permitted
10 0000 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 0010 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 2, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 0100 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 4, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 0110 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 6, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 1000 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 8, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 1010 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 10, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 1110 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: Not Restricted, Max Quality: 2 ch/48 kHz/16 bit
10 0000 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 0010 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 2, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 0100 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 4, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 0110 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 6, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 1000 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 8, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 1010 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 10, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 1110 10 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: Not Restricted, Max Quality: 2 ch
10 0001 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 0011 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 2, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 0101 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 4, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 0111 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 6, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 1001 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 8, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 1011 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 10, Max Quality: Not Restricted
10 1111 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: Not Restricted, Max Quality: Not Restricted
these values are self-explanatory: first two major bits define the copying status, next bits define the "Number of Copies" and the "Max Quality"
so the value of 0x04 (00 0001 00) used by "DVDARipper 0.99f" is not valid , actually it is a combination between the first half of ("Copying Permitted without Restrictions"):
00 0000 00 --> Copying Permitted without Restrictions
and the last half of ("Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: Not Restricted"):
10 0001 00 --> Copying Permitted with Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: Not Restricted
and thus should be read as "Copying Permitted without Restrictions, Number of Copies: 1, Max Quality: Not Restricted", which doesn't make much sense and so probably when first too major bits are zero ("Copying Permitted without Restrictions") then all other minor bits are ignored and in such case in practice both 0x00 and 0x04 should be treated the same, but still 0x04 is not in the table above and so should be considered invalid.
conclusion: in theory seems only dvdcpxm.exe provides really correct decryption of DVD-Audio discs, however probably in practice both dvdcpxm.exe and "DVDARipper 0.99f" have the same behavior, because probably when first too major bits of CCI bits are zero, all other bits are ignored and so in practice 0x04 is treated the same as 0x00, but to remove any doubt, test with standalone DVD-Audio player is required.