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[Someone]

Is it better than the last japan remaster 2008?

[yury_usa]

QUOTE (Someone @ 18-11-2008, 17:13)

Is it better than last japan remaster 2008?

Well, 2008 remaster is a remix with bonus tracks. It's kind of hard to compare remix with the original version

ЗЫ вроде ты по-русски понимаешь Новое издание - это ремикс, насколько я понимаю. Сравнивать ремикс и оригинал сложновато будет. Я пробовал с альбомами Дорз (Perception Box vs Elektra), и мне по душе оригиналы. Та же история с Genesis SACD

[bertox]

The last remasters are NOT only (bad)remixes...., but are the worst thing that i've ever heard!!!

It's practically the sound Compression definition by itself...


Pure Ear-Bleed enjoying (?!)..., i'll compare this with Red Hot's Californication...

[Someone]

QUOTE (yury_usa @ 19-11-2008, 01:22)

QUOTE (Someone @ 18-11-2008, 17:13) Is it better than last japan remaster 2008? ЗЫ вроде ты по-русски понимаешь Новое издание - это ремикс, насколько я понимаю. Сравнивать ремикс и оригинал сложновато будет. Я пробовал с альбомами Дорз (Perception Box vs Elektra), и мне по душе оригиналы. Та же история с Genesis SACD

Гм.
Я про японские ремастера 2008 (10 CD с педро) было тут недавно (кстати где они теперь непонятно). Почему ремиксы? Нет, там просто ремастеры(а).

[yury_usa]

QUOTE (Someone @ 18-11-2008, 19:26)

Я про японские ремастера 2008 (10 CD с педро) было тут недавно (кстати где они теперь непонятно). Почему ремиксы? Нет, там просто ремастеры(а).

Я так и понял. Song Remains The Same был ремикширован, из того что я читал на SH форуме. Остальные диски - да, ремастеры Пейджа/Марино

[bertox]

Well, i've listen the last Vinyl 2008 The Song Remains The Same release..., and sounds like bullshit..,

...Bullshit in my ears:

This post has been edited by bertox on 20-11-2008, 08:13

[Sartre]

Has anyone compared this to the 2003 Japanese release?

Topic Link: Led Zeppelin - 1976 Song Remains the Same

[yury_usa]

QUOTE (Sartre @ 25-11-2008, 12:50)

Has anyone compared this to the 2003 Japanese release? Topic Link: Led Zeppelin - 1976 Song Remains the Same

Just letting you know:

1986 = Barry Diament Mastering (most flat transfers)
1994=2003=2005 = Page/Marino Remaster (a bit compressed and kinda loud/bright)
2007/2008 = Bob Ludwig Remix (completely remixed, heavily compressed)

[bertox]

just a question:

the Mono 2010 (384KHz/32Bits) remasters will look like a 'flat' square wave??

[Sartre]

I was under the impression that this album was never remastered by Page/Marino. A quick search at Hoffman's forums "confirms" it, so the 2003 "remaster" is supposedly just a level boosted Diament mastering.

[bertox]

Please.., put the links of th SH forum that are you talking about...

Well, i say to you that 'just a level boost'.., in fact.., means that it IS a remaster...,
and they didn't use a CD copy (EAC (!)) to do any process, but a copy (of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy...) of some 'kind' of master tape..., which means, an Page/Marino brand(bad) new sounding remaster.

Remaster = any kind of processing to any previous master tape.

[Sartre]

I can't give you definitive "proof" from the Hoffman forums - they're just a bunch of audio geeks - but most every reference to the albums mastering noted that it wasn't remastered with the rest of the LZ albums in the early 90s.

Here's a Usenet post (alt.music.led-zeppelin) from 1996 with a number of people commenting that it wasn't remastered:

http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.music.led-zeppelin/browse_thread/thread/18f49b7ff82688c3?

I believe TSRTS was owned by WEA so Page/Marino didn't have the rights to remaster/re-release it.

As for whether a level boost constitutes "remastering", well, compared to what was done with the rest of the catalog I'll say no. It was likely just a digital copy of the previous release with boosted levels.

Upload a flac of Rock & Roll (30 seconds even) from the "Diament mastered" version you have so I can compare with the 2003 import. Maybe the difference is significant; I don't know until I can hear.

[bertox]

Well...,

QUOTE (Sartre)

As for whether a level boost constitutes "remastering", well, compared to what was done with the rest of the catalog I'll say no. It was likely just a digital copy of the previous release with boosted levels.

Master = 1st tape made and mixed in the mastering studio from direct band recordings..

Remaster = processed (new mix, boost, effects, new technology, etc ,etc..) new tapes made from previous (mastered or not) tapes..

Simple, a Remaster is the 2th and upper versions of a disc previously mastered with just (little or not) different sounding.
Another thing is what called 'Re-issue'.., new edition/press/release but without any modification at all...

QUOTE (Sartre)

Upload a flac of Rock & Roll (30 seconds even) from the "Diament mastered"...

Well.., i don't know why you don't have it yet?
...to much priced maybe?

QUOTE (Sartre)

Maybe the difference is significant;

I don't matter if the 'difference' is significant or not.., i always look for the best stuff around...

Question: If i have to choose between MP3 or Flac, what i choose? ...

Well, in this case.., i must say.., past far i did a lot of 'tests' like this.., but now i just 'almost' always trust in my friends..:

Yury_usa say: 1994=2003=2005 = Page/Marino Remaster (a bit compressed and kinda loud/bright)

If you want, do the test and tell us what you got...

greetings.

This post has been edited by bertox on 27-11-2008, 08:49

[OlCh]

split from Topic Link: Led Zeppelin - The Song Remains the Same (1976) (2CD)

[Sartre]

I'm not going to argue about semantics, but needless to say, it's definitely not a Page/Marino remaster so it doesn't suffer from that particular treatment.

Yury posted a waveform of Rock and Roll from the Diament CD here:





I don't have the flac file of the 2003 version on hand so I used a 400kbps AAC file and got a virtually identical waveform so it's hardly loud or compressed. In fact, I'll bet it's identical.