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Артист: Karajan Gold - Deutsche Gramophon, 32CDs Альбом: Karajan Gold - Deutsche Gramophon, 32CDs, Жанр: classical music Формат файла: EAC/APE+CUE Ссылка: CD Нахождение: Torrent

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Composers:

Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827)
Johannes Brahms (1833 - 1897)
Anton Bruckner (1824 - 1896)
Claude Debussy (1862 - 1918 )
Maurice Ravel (1875 - 1937)
Antonin Dvorak (1841 - 1904)
Bedrich Smetana (1824 - 1884)
Edvard Grieg (1843 - 1907)
Jean Sibelius (1865 - 1957)
Franz Joseph Haydn (1732 - 1809)
Gustav Holst (1874 - 1934)
Gustav Mahler (1860 - 1911)
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756 - 1791)
Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky (1839 - 1881)
Richard Strauss (1864 - 1949)
Camille Saint-Saens (1835 - 1921)
Dmitri Shostakovich (1906 - 1975)
Robert Schumann (1810 - 1856)
Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky (1840 - 1893)
Giuseppe Verdi (1813 - 1901)
Richard Wagner (1813 - 1883)

BERLIN PHILHARMONIC ORCHESTRA
VIENNA PHILHARMONIC ORCHESTRA
HERBERT VON KARAJAN - conductor



Tracklists
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Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827)

Symphony No.1 in C, Op.21
1. Adagio molto - Allegro con brio [10:11]
2. Andante cantabile con moto [6:24]
3. Menuetto (Allegro molto e vivace) [3:56]
4. Finale (Adagio - Allegro molto e vivace) [5:53]

Symphony No.2 in D, Op.36
1. Adagio molto - Allegro con brio [10:32]
2. Larghetto [10:20]
3. Scherzo (Allegro) [3:55]
4. Allegro molto [6:28]

Total Playing Time: [57:42]

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Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827)

Symphony No.3 in E flat, Op.55 -"Eroica"
1. Allegro con brio [14:03]
2. Marcia funebre (Adagio assai) [16:02]
3. Scherzo (Allegro vivace) [6:07]
4. Finale (Allegro molto) [12:15]

Music to Goethe's Tragedy "Egmont" op.84
5.Ouverture - Sostenuto, ma non troppo - Allegro [8:00]

Total Playing Time: [56:55]

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Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827)

Symphony No.4 in B flat, Op.60
1. Adagio - Allegro vivace [10:10]
2. Adagio [9:29]
3. Allegro vivace [5:54]
4. Allegro ma non troppo [5:40]

Symphony No.7 in A, Op.92
5. Poco sostenuto - Vivace [11:11]
6. Allegretto [7:45]
7. Presto - Assai meno presto [7:31]
8. Allegro con brio [6:24]

Total Playing Time: [1:04:46]

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Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827)

Symphony No.5 in C minor, Op.67
1. Allegro con brio [7:18]
2. Andante con moto [9:14]
3. Allegro [4:48]
4. Allegro [8:40]

Symphony No.6 in F, Op.68 -"Pastoral"
5. Erwachen heiterer Empfindungen bei der Ankunft
auf dem Lande: Allegro ma non troppo [9:04]
6. Szene am Bach: (Andante molto mosso) [10:17]
7. Lustiges Zusammensein der Landleute (Allegro) [3:07]
8. Gewitter, Sturm (Allegro) [3:24]
9. Hirtengesang. Frohe und dankbare Gefuhle nach
dem Sturm: Allegretto [8:23]

Total Playing Time: [1:04:54]

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Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827)

Symphony No.8 in F, Op.93
1. Allegro vivace e con brio [8:56]
2. Allegretto scherzando [4:00]
3. Tempo di menuetto [5:59]
4. Allegro vivace [7:08]
5.Overture "Coriolan", Op.62 [8:32]

Fidelio op.72
6.Overture [6:51]
7.Overture "Leonore No.3", Op.72b [13:53]

Total Playing Time: [56:03]

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Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827)

Symphony No.9 in D minor, Op.125 - "Choral"
1. Allegro ma non troppo, un poco maestoso [15:22]
2. Molto vivace [10:26]
3. Adagio molto e cantabile [15:50]

Excerpt from 4th movement
4. Presto [6:06]
5."O Freunde nicht diese Tone" - [18:13]

Total Playing Time: [1:06:16]

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Johannes Brahms (1833 - 1897)

Violin Concerto in D, Op.77
1. Allegro non troppo [22:02]
2. Adagio [9:42]
3. Allegro giocoso, ma non troppo vivace - Poco piu presto [8:34]

Concerto for Violin and Cello in A minor, Op.102
4. Allegro [18:04]
5. Andante [7:27]
6. Vivace non troppo - Poco meno allegro - Tempo I [9:04]

Total Playing Time: [1:15:10]

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Anton Bruckner (1824 - 1896)

Symphony No.7 in E major
1. Allegro moderato [19:47]
2. Adagio. Sehr feierlich und sehr langsam [23:12]
3. Scherzo. Sehr schnell - Trio. Etwas langsamer [10:10]
4. Finale. Bewegt, doch nicht schnell [12:42]

Total Playing Time: [1:06:05]

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Claude Debussy (1862 - 1918)

La Mer
1. From Dawn till Noon on the Sea (De l'aube a midi sur la mer) [8:52]
2. Play of the Waves (Jeux de vagues) [6:46]
3. Dialogue of the Wind and the Sea (Dialogue du vent et de la mer) [8:05]
4. Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un faune [9:51]

Maurice Ravel (1875 - 1937)
5.Pavane pour une infante defunte [7:04]
6.Daphnis et Chloe, Suite No.2 [15:14]

Total Playing Time: [56:36]

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Antonin Dvorak (1841 - 1904)

Symphony No.9 in E minor, Op.95 "From the New World"
1. Adagio - Allegro molto [9:58]
2. Largo [12:27]
3. Molto vivace [8:36]
4. Allegro con fuoco [11:25]


Bedrich Smetana (1824 - 1884)

5.The Moldau (from Ma Vlast) [12:40]

Total Playing Time: [55:11]

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Edvard Grieg (1843 - 1907)

Peer Gynt Suite No.1, Op.46
1. Morning mood [4:03]
2. The Death of Aase [4:37]
3. Anitra's dance [3:17]
4. In the Hall of the Mountain King [2:07]

Peer Gynt Suite No.2, Op.55
5. The Abduction (Ingrid's lament) [4:54]
6. Arabian dance [4:51]
7. Peer Gynt's return [2:55]
8. Solveig's song [5:59]

Holberg Suite, Op.40
9. Praludium (Allegro vivace) [2:54]
10. Sarabande (Andante) [4:16]
11. Gavotte (Allegretto) - Musette (poco piu mosso) - Gavotte [3:46]
12. Air (Andante religioso) [5:51]
13. Rigaudon (Allegro con brio) [3:52]


Jean Sibelius (1865 - 1957)

Valse triste, Op.44 [5:59]
15.The Swan of Tuonela, Op.22, No.2 [7:50]
16.Finlandia, Op.26 [9:23]

Total Playing Time: [1:17:39]

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Franz Joseph Haydn (1732 - 1809)

Symphony in G, H.I No.94 - "Surprise"
1. Adagio - Vivace assai [9:37]
2. Andante [5:36]
3. Menuet (Allegro molto) [4:11]
4. Finale (Allegro di molto) [3:58]

Symphony in D, H.I No.101 - "The Clock"
5. Adagio - Presto [8:21]
6. Andante [9:09]
7. Menuet (Allegretto) - Trio [8:55]
8. Finale (Vivace) [4:31]

Total Playing Time: [54:45]

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Gustav Holst (1874 - 1934)

The Planets, op.32
1. Mars, the Bringer of War [7:21]
2. Venus, the Bringer of Peace [8:37]
3. Mercury, the Winged Messenger [4:16]
4. Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity [7:36]
5. Saturn, the Bringer of Old Age [9:22]
6. Uranus, the Magician [6:03]
7. Neptune, the Mystic [8:47]

Total Playing Time: [52:02]

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Gustav Mahler (1860 - 1911)

CD 1:

Symphony No.9 in D
1. Andante comodo [5:20]
2.Etwas frischer [1:17]
3.(Horns) [3:49]
4.Mit Wut. Allegro risoluto [3:47]
5.(Brass) [2:59]
6.Bewegter [3:26]
7.Wie von Anfang [1:57]
8.Ploetzlich bedeutend langsamer (Lento) und leise [5:42]
9.Im Tempo eines gemaechlichen Laendlers.Etwas taeppisch und sehr derb [2:48]
10.Poco piu mosso subito (Tempo II) [2:45]
11.Tempo III [1:43]
12.A tempo II [3:00]
13.Tempo I [1:37]
14.Tempo II [1:34]
15.Tempo I. subito [3:15]

Total Playing Time: [44:54]



CD 2:

Symphony No.9 in D
1. Rondo-Burleske. Allegro assai. Sehr trotzig. [1:46]
2.L'istesso tempo [1:08]
3.Sempre l'istesso tempo [1:20]
4.L'istesso tempo [4:18]
5.(Clarinets) [1:53]
6.Tempo I subito [1:33]
7.Piu stretto [0:57]
8.Adagio. Sehr langsam und noch zurueckhaltend [4:26]
9.Ploetzlich wieder sehr langsam (wie zu Anfang) und etwas zoegernd [2:45]
10.Molto adagio subito [2:19]
11.a tempo (Molto adagio) [3:57]
12.Stets sehr gehalten [1:52]
13.Fliessender, doch durchaus nicht eilend [1:56]
14.Tempo I. Molto adagio [5:45]
15.Adagissimo [3:47]

Total Playing Time: [39:35]

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Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756 - 1791)

Mass in C minor, K.427 "Grosse Messe"
Rev. and reconstr. by H.C. Robbins Landon

1.Kyrie [8:05]
2.Gloria: Gloria in excelsis Deo [2:22]
3.Gloria: Laudamus te [5:00]
4.Gloria: Gratias [1:26]
5.Gloria: Domine [2:46]
6.Gloria: Qui tollis [7:25]
7.Gloria: Quoniam [4:13]
8.Gloria: Jesu Christe [0:47]
9.Gloria: Cum Sancto spiritu [3:55]
10.Credo: Credo in unum Deum [3:46]
11. Credo: Et incarnatus est [9:00]
12.Sanctus: Sanctus [3:59]
13.Benedictus [5:55]

Total Playing Time: [59:19]

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Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756 - 1791)

Requiem in D minor, K.626
compl. by Franz Xaver Sussmayer

1. Introitus: Requiem [5:25]
2. Kyrie [2:40]
3. Sequentia: Dies irae [1:51]
4. Sequentia: Tuba mirum [3:51]
5. Sequentia: Rex tremendae [2:21]
6. Sequentia: Recordare [5:11]
7. Sequentia: Confutatis [2:24]
8. Sequentia: Lacrimosa [3:08]
9. Offertorium: Domine Jesu [3:50]
10. Offertorium: Hostias [4:30]
11 .Sanctus [1:48]
12. Benedictus [5:25]
13. Agnus Dei [3:39]
14.Communio: Lux aeterna [5:54]

Total Playing Time: [52:11]

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Maurice Ravel (1875 - 1937)

1. Bolero [15:46]

Rapsodie espagnole
2. Prelude a la nuit [4:12]
3. Malaguena [2:02]
4. Habanera [2:19]
5. Feria [6:44]


Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky (1839 - 1881)

Pictures at an Exhibition
Orchestrated by Maurice Ravel

6.Promenade [1:45]
7. Gnomus [2:33]
8.Promenade [1:04]
9.The Old Castle [4:07]
10.Promenade [0:42]
11.The Tuileries Gardens [1:03]
12.Bydlo [2:37]
13.Promenade [0:55]
14.Ballet of the Chickens in Their Shells [1:10]
15.Samuel Goldenberg and Schmuyle [2:10]
16.The Market-place at Limoges [1:28]
17.The Catacombs (Sepulchrum romanum) [2:05]
18.Cum mortuis in lingua mortua [2:07]
19.The Hut on Fowl's Legs (Baba-Yaga) [3:31]
20.The Great Gate of Kiev [5:57]

Total Playing Time: [1:04:20]

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Richard Strauss (1864 - 1949)

Alpensymphonie, Op.64
1.Nacht [3:05]
2.Sonnenaufgang [1:29]
3.Der Anstieg [2:18]
4.Eintritt in den Wald [2:57]
5.Wanderung neben dem Bache [2:39]
6.Am Wasserfall [0:17]
7.Erscheinung [0:51]
8.Auf blumige Wiesen [0:56]
9.Auf der Alm [2:06]
10.Durch Dickicht und Gestrupp auf Irrwegen [1:34]
11.Auf dem Gletscher [1:17]
12.Gefahrvolle Augenblicke [1:28]
13.Auf dem Gipfel [4:31]
14.Vision [3:40]
15.Nebel steigen auf [0:18]
16.Die Sonne verdustert sich allmahlich [0:49]
17.Elegie [2:18]
18.Stille vor dem Sturm [3:02]
19.Gewitter und Sturm, Abstieg [3:58]
20.Sonnenuntergang [2:57]
21.Ausklang [6:02]
22.Nacht [2:45]

Total Playing Time: [51:01]

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Richard Strauss (1864 - 1949)

Also sprach Zarathustra, Op.30
1.Prelude (Sonnenaufgang) [1:40]
2.Von den Hinterweltlern [3:30]
3.Von der groben Sehnsucht [2:05]
4.Von den Freuden und Leidenschaften [2:21]
5.Das Grablied [2:28]
6.Von der Wissenschaft [4:34]
7.Der Genesende [5:29]
8.Das Tanzlied - Das Nachtlied [8:25]
9.Das Nachtwanderlied [4:55]
10.Don Juan, Op.20 [18:02]

Total Playing Time: [54:10]

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Richard Strauss (1864 - 1949)

Don Quixote,Op. 35/Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks, Op. 28

1. Don Quixote, fantastic variations for
cello & orchestra, Op. 35 (TrV 184)
2. Till Eulenspiegels lustige Streiche
(Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks),
tone poem for orchestra, Op. 28 (TrV 171)

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Richard Strauss (1864 - 1949)

Ein Heldenleben, Op.40
1.Der Held [4:25]
2.Des Helden Widersacher [3:36]
3.Des Helden Gefahrtin [12:43]
4.Des Helden Walstatt [7:37]
5.Des Helden Friedenswerke [6:17]
6.Des Helden Weltflucht und Vollendung [12:02]
7.Tod und Verklarung, Op.24 [25:24]

Total Playing Time: [1:12:22]

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Camille Saint-Saens (1835 - 1921)

Symphony No.3 in C minor, Op.78 "Organ Symphony"

1. Adagio - Allegro moderato - [10:38]
2. Poco adagio [11:53]
3. Allegro moderato - Presto - Allegro moderato [7:02]
4. Maestoso - Piu allegro - Molto allegro [8:28]

Total Playing Time: [38:01]

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Dmitri Shostakovich (1906 - 1975)

Symphony No.10 in E minor, Op.93

1. Moderato [22:28]
2. Allegro [4:09]
3. Allegretto [11:38]
4. Andante - Allegro [13:05]

Total Playing Time: [51:43]

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Robert Schumann (1810 - 1856)

Piano Concerto in A minor, Op.54
1. Allegro affettuoso [15:24]
2. Intermezzo (Andantino grazioso) [5:24]
3. Allegro vivace [10:37]

Edvard Grieg (1843 - 1907)

Piano Concerto in A minor, Op.16
4. Allegro molto moderato [13:56]
5. Adagio [7:12]
6. Allegro moderato molto e marcato -
Quasi presto - Andante maestoso [10:48]

Total Playing Time: [1:03:45]

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Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky (1840 - 1893)

Romeo and Juliet, Fantasy Overture
1.Andante non tanto quasi Moderato - Allegro giusto - Moderato assai [22:00]
Nutcracker Suite, Op.71a
2.Miniature Overture [3:27]
3.March [2:17]
4.Dance of the Sugar-Plum Fairy [1:36]
5.Russian Dance (Trepak) [1:08]
6.Arabian Dance (Coffee) [2:44]
7.Chinese Dance (Tea) [1:10]
8.Dance of the Reed-Pipes [2:20]
9.Waltz of the Flowers [6:56]

Total Playing Time: [44:05]

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Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky (1840 - 1893)

Symphonie Nr. 4 in F minor
1. Andante Sostenuto - Moderato Con Anima [18:38]
2. Andantino In Modo Di Canzone [10:07]
3. Scherzo. Allegro [5:43]
4. Finale. Allegro Con Fuoco [8:37]

Total Playing Time: [43:05]

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Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky (1840 - 1893)

Symphony No.5 in E minor, Op.64

1. Andante - Allegro con anima [15:46]
2. Andante cantabile, con alcuna licenza -
Moderato con anima [13:33]
3. Valse (Allegro moderato) [6:26]
4. Finale (Andante maestoso - Allegro vivace) [11:59]

Total Playing Time: [47:45]

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Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky (1840 - 1893)

Symphony No.6 in B minor, Op.74 -"Pathetique"
1. Adagio - Allegro non troppo [18:19]
2. Allegro con grazia [8:47]
3. Allegro molto vivace [8:29]
4. Finale (Adagio lamentoso - Andante) [9:43]

Total Playing Time: [45:41]

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Giuseppe Verdi (1813 - 1901)
Messa da Requiem

CD 1:
1. Requiem [7:51]
2. Dies irae [2:20]
3. Tuba mirum [3:47]
4. Liber scriptus [5:05]
5. Quid sum miser [3:53]
6. Rex tremendae [3:42]
7. Recordare [4:28]
8. Ingemisco [3:55]
9. Confutatis [5:58]
10. Lacrymosa [6:01]

Total Playing Time: [46:59]



CD 2:
1. Offertorium [11:21]
2. Sanctus [3:00]
3. Agnus Dei [4:41]
4. Lux aeterna [6:29]
5. Libera me [13:51]

Total Playing Time: [39:34]

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Richard Wagner (1813 - 1883)

Tannhauser and the Contest of Song on the Wartburg
1.Overture [10:49]
2.Bacchanale (Venusberg) [12:52]

Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg
3.Prelude [6:23]

Tristan und Isolde
Concert version
4.Prelude [12:21]
5.Liebestod [7:16]

Total Playing Time: [50:03]

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Вот спасибо, если что, буду знать кого просить...

Слава Богу с рейтингом порядок (всеми силами держу), да вот только не сильно популярна сейчас классика... А если бы золото, то народу бы больше скачало, да в локалки повыкладывали бы, глядишь и приверженцев классики появилось бы больше. А то народ деградирует.

Всё-таки не "матерный", а "родной"

Спасибо за поправку!!! Прошу извинить меня!!! Во второй раз уже делаю эта не очень... ошибка. Болгарское выражение опять подвело меня.

А эта деградация уже 25-30 лет отчетливо заметна. Видимо процес этот глобальный. Можеть быть именно поэтому грамофонные компании стали выпускать полние собрания композиторов и всякого рода boxed sets - чтобы снова возбудить интерес к классики. Не знаю, но лично мне кажется что в последние годы положение классики немножко улучшилось. Кажется также что огромный интерес азиатцев к классической музыки равно как и развитие интернета имеют очень большой вклад в этом улучшении.

Это сообщение отредактировал(а) vpenev - 31-01-2007, 07:02

К счастью народ не деградирует, просто появилось много желающих заработать на культурных ценностях, отсюда море попсни. В целом же тенденция позитивная

vpenev
если не трудно, перечисли плиз те релизы классики, которые вы с bobit раздавали. (тут два хардрайва по 300гиг прибыло )

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Joseph HAYDN - Complete Symphonies [Brilliant Classics, 33 CD's][FLAC]
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Bach 2000 - The Complete Bach Edition [BOX SET][LIMITED EDITION][EAC/APE + CUE]
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Bach 2000 - [Vol. 5 - CD2, 7 & 8][FIXED][EAC/FLAC + CUE]
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Schubert - The Ten Symphonies (Neville Marriner)(2003)[EAC/FLAC]
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Various Artists - The Top 100 Masterpieces of Classical Music (1991)[EAC/FLAC]
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JOHANNES BRAHMS - Complete Brahms Edition [DG, 1996, 46 CDs BOX SET][EAC/APE+CUE]
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Mario del Monaco Decca Recitals 1952 - 1969 [Decca, 5CDs][EAC / FLAC + CUE]
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Richard WAGNER - The Complete Operas [43 CD's][EAC / FLAC + CUE, Booklets]
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Antonin DVORAK - The Masterworks [40 CD Set][EAC/FLAC+CUE]
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Karajan Gold [DG,32CDs][EAC,APE+CUE]
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Все перечисленые торенты живы. Эсли хочешь можешь скачать и ЭТОТ РЕЛИЗ. Он намного лучше чем Mozart (Brilliant Classics). Стоит скачать также и ЭТОТ РЕЛИЗ. В то время как Bach 2000 (Teldec) исполнен в стиле и на инструментах эпохи барока, то этот Bach (Hanssler Edition) исполнен на современые инструменты и в современном стиле.

Это сообщение отредактировал(а) vpenev - 01-02-2007, 06:39

спасибо, надеюсь ratio не сильно пострадает

Может быть ты прав!!! Надеюсь что явление именно такое!!! И что чрезмерное увеличение "желающих заработать на культурных ценностях" просто екранирует настолько сильно все другие процесы что из за этой екранировки даже позитивние тенденции выглядят как деградация. [К тому же эсть еще один очень существеный фактор - катастрофически быстрое наращивание популяции хомо сапиенс сапиенс за счет всех остальных биологических видов. Но можеть быть без наращивания, или даже сопровождаемое со снижением, общего (для вида) культурного уровня. ]

Это сообщение отредактировал(а) vpenev - 02-02-2007, 07:17