Артист: Diverse Альбом: Classics @ Cinema, 2008 Издатель: WRG Records Жанр: Classical Формат файла: EAC, FLAC, CVRS, ReMastering, 24/96 Ссылка: CD 163 clicks Нахождение: eDonkey

This post has been edited by cavaille on 13-10-2008, 02:45

Sorry, I did post the wrong link in the first post. The link was for the Classics @ Cinema II - a compilation which is finished but has yet to be released. I will post the link again in one week after this huge amount of data is shared. Please click the ed2k link again...

Sorry for that...

This post has been edited by cavaille on 13-10-2008, 01:30

Description!!!
(for those who are interested)

Every track was first grabbed proper with EAC, afterwards again with iTunes - according to the process I´ve described somewhere. Exceptions were of course the two tracks coming from DVD-Audio. After the tracks were waiting on the HD, I converted them to 32 Bit and made an offset correction. Then came the resampling to 96 kHz - again done according to the process I described before on another place. I had 32/96 files by then which would give me the perfect working condition for DSP processing.

Software: EAC, iTunes, DVD-Audio Explorer, Nero Image Drive, Sound Forge, WaveLab, iZotope RX Advanced, iZotope Ozone, Algorithmix Orange EQ and dB PowerAmp.
Hardware: Sennheiser HD-600, Heco Loudspeakers, Sony STR-DB 830 QS, Monster USB Cable, Audioquest Cables, two different PCs for working and monitoring.

The older Telarc-releases were recorded with a Soundstream recorder and converted with a crappy resampler to CD (in 1980 this resampler was state-of-the-art... but today...). By comparing the originals with remastered Soundstream recordings I found out what the sound difference was. I simply amplified signals beginning at 1000 Hz with a very soft and wider filter for about 1 dB and frequencies over 2000 Hz were weekened with an equally soft/wide filter for about 0.5 dB. At the same time I corrected frequency ripples introduced by the old resampler Telarc used for the 50 kHz Soundstream-recordings. Processed tracks are 1, 3, 7, and 10.

Track 5 was done different. Telarc recorded that with a Sony PCM-1630, a converter with very precise sound. A bit thin if you ask me. The lower frequencies were amplified by me bit more compared to the Soundstreams - I also compressed the wideness of the stereo perspective a tiny little bit.

Track 4 was a new DSD recording done in 2007. I don´t know what Michael Bishop (mastering engineer) did but the sound of the recording was very muffled and way too much voluptous, a sound that´s in no way fitting for Tchaikovsky. I corrected that.

Track 11 is an old recording from Deutsche Grammophon done in 1977 with a sound balance designed for the limitations of the Vinyl record (missing dynamic and no bass or warmth). I also corrected this. Thank God there was no noise!

Track 14 consists of three separate tracks I joined to one single track. I did not use any EQ but I attentuated it (around -6 dB).

On Track 15 I used heavy processing. The recording was marvelous but lacked a bit "spirit". I strongly amplified the deep bass and weekened high frequencies a little bit. I felt my changes justified because the organist Winfried Bönig - just like me - used this piece as a showpiece - he played too fast (individual tones drowned in the 15 second reverb) and pointed out the bass by using the 64'' pipe.
It is no wonder given the size of the cathedrals´ nave (it is the highest in the world) that this room is a horror for music. Just an impression: because of a friend working at Klais (the organ builder) I know, that in 2005 two pipes were installed - no one knows how strong and loud they are, it´s still a secret. I know of course - it is so loud that every other pipe would explode by the sheer air pressure flowing through it. You´ll need of course the volume in order to fill the entire room. Two years ago I participated in an organ concert in this cathedral so I knew a bit how slow someone has to play in order for the music to be recognizable. The key lay in the diminishing of high frequencies - that is where a huge amount of reverb takes place due to massive amounts of stone and big glass windows.

Tracks 2 and 13 came from a DVD-Audio. Both tracks were in 24 Bit and 48 kHz (the 1812 Ouverture 44.1 kHz). Despite high resolution, Howard Shore did not invest much time in good sound (it would get better on Two Towers) so I had to do that. I changed the balance into something more charming and at the same time dynamic with enhanced deep bass, violin sparkle and better room impression. The Telarc recording wasn´t processed at all, the sound was just flawless.

Track 6 came from a HDCD. The sound of the decoded HDCD was fantastic, brilliant and incredibly dynamic... but there was a little mid-frequencies hole. I filled that - the sound now is even more colourful.

After processing many tracks were made louder - I wanted to achieve a bit more "punch" and also wanted the recording to be "hotter" to save the most of the resolution (you´ll have incredible dynamic). In order to achieve this I had to use compression - the same compression used in the Loudness War. I was of course much more modest because I wanted to keep good sound. The tracks are around 2-3 dB too loud. I did only slight compressing with Ozone which worked nearly transparent . Compressed tracks are 1, 6, 8, 10, 13 and 15, mostly Telarc recordings. It´s nearly a sacrileg, because Telarc does not use compression but don´t be afraid, you won´t hear artififacts like the ones of CDs that are harmed by the Loundness War.

This post has been edited by cavaille on 13-10-2008, 14:36

Only one day left...

then I will present to you "Classics @ Cinema Vol. II"

- more fun
- even better sound
- 300 MB smaller
- more colourful coverdesign
- more mainstream
- more pop
- ... and a little secret...

... only one day...

Thanks for this, sounds great. One thing you should beware of; The track from LOTR, one ring to rule them all, is watermarked. If you burn all tracks to a DVD-Audio disc, this track will not play if the player detects watermarks. All the other songs are clean. I just didn't include it on my copy, heard it so many times through the movie anyway

You should check if the tracks are watermarked if you include DVD-Audio material on your compilations.
Anyway, great job with the music. I probably will download the second one too.

QUOTE (alluneedislove @ 27-10-2008, 00:40)

Thanks for this, sounds great. One thing you should beware of; The track from LOTR, one ring to rule them all, is watermarked. If you burn all tracks to a DVD-Audio disc, this track will not play if the player detects watermarks. All the other songs are clean. I just didn't include it on my copy, heard it so many times through the movie anyway You should check if the tracks are watermarked if you include DVD-Audio material on your compilations. Anyway, great job with the music. I probably will download the second one too.

Trust me, the watermark is now destroyed for sure. I processed the track - and processing destroys every watermark. You´re right, it comes from a DVD-Audio. I used DVDAExplorer for extracting and converted it to .wav. Then the watermark is lost.

You could have burned it safeley onto your disk then.

And thanks!

cavaille

QUOTE

I used DVDAExplorer for extracting and converted it to .wav. Then the watermark is lost.

not unless you create DVD-Audio from it, and then it wont play on most standalone DVD-A players. I have the same issue with Metallica Black Album DVD-A (watermarked)

Watermark technology has not been hacked yet, it is inside the wav file permanently

QUOTE (fchef @ 27-10-2008, 09:08)

Watermark technology has not been hacked yet, it is inside the wav file permanently

exactly

I played the track in my Pioneer DV 989. The disc just stopped after a few seconds when the track started. All the others played fine.

The ONLY way to play watermarked DVD-A rips on a stand alone player, is with a dvd player that does not detect them. Sadly, most newer good DVD-Audio players detects watermarks.
There is one very good player that support watermarked DVD-A rips, and that is the Rotel RDV 1080. This player doesn't have bass management for DVD-A though. If you want a player with full bass management and solid performance, then there is no way past watermarking... Buy the originals

This post has been edited by alluneedislove on 27-10-2008, 22:12

QUOTE (fchef @ 27-10-2008, 15:08)

Watermark technology has not been hacked yet, it is inside the wav file permanently

What? Oh my, I didn´t know this. I´m very very sorry... this wasn´t intended. I thought, if I would process it with some DSP everything would go away. Sadly no...

I´m really sorry for the inconvenience. I therefore recommend not using "Lord of the Rings" from this compilation if you want to have a DVD-Audio.

It can make DVD-Audio-Video (PCM in VIDEO_TS). Any players read't watermarks from VIDEO_TS

QUOTE (OlCh @ 28-10-2008, 08:23)

It can make DVD-Audio-Video (PCM in VIDEO_TS). Any players read't watermarks from VIDEO_TS

Yep! Now this format is called ΧΟΔΕ which was called before HDAD. It is nothing different than 24/96 in the VIDEO_TS which was standardized in 1996. Although on ΧΟΔΕ releases you´ll find lossy material for your mp3-player and 16/44.1 material as well.